Playing fighting men for fools

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From NJ.com...

Playing fighting men for fools

Friday, January 14, 2005
BY MORGAN STRONG

It is as if I am in a nightmare that never ends. The nightmare is about Vietnam, but it is also about Iraq and Afghanistan. I seem to be in a time warp, and over and over every day and night I see not Iraq but Vietnam. I see the same kids dying the same way all over again. I see the distance between the reality of the war and the American people. I hear the same lies. I see the same callous disregard for the troops in the midst of the battles. It is not a nightmare I experience; it is terribly real.

In Vietnam, the Marine grunt lived a life of constant deprivation. We had shoddy equipment, little food, no shelter and unrelenting demands. We carried a poncho and a half blanket. We slept on the ground and hoped we could find water. Only every few months did we get the chance to shower.

I once was assigned by a newspaper to interview James Webb, then the undersecretary of the Navy. Webb had been a Marine in Vietnam. We joked about the uniform, Jungle Utilities, we wore in the field. We were issued one pair. After several months, the thin material of the uniform became saturated with our sweat, oils and a variety of other excretions. It was as if we had soaked the uniform in oil. The joke was that, since we were never given a change of clothing or a chance to launder what we had, we just got an oil change. It was funny as we sat in Webb's comfortable office, but it was not very funny in Vietnam.

The uniform was the least of the problems. I carried a pack first issued to other Marines in the Second World War. Sort of a tradition, I suppose. The pack was old and frayed and only minimally useful. We carried M-16s but had only two magazines to hold the ammunition because there were no more to issue to the grunts. That meant that in a firefight we had to reload the magazines from little cardboard boxes of ammunition we carried in the World War II packs. The cardboard boxes would deteriorate in the clammy jungle, and the rounds would be loose in the bottom of the pack. So we had to take off the pack, fumble for the rounds in the bottom and try to load the magazine under fire. That is not an ideal situation when someone is trying to kill you. That someone trying to kill me was a North Vietnamese soldier or Viet Cong guerrilla who had better equipment than I did.

In our distant outposts far from headquarters, where they lived with hot meals and showers and clean clothes, we lived a most primitive existence. We had only rudimentary shelter. We were always close to complete exhaustion, and we relied largely on hope and a little luck to get us the hell out of there someday.

We got our water from streams or little concrete cisterns the Vietnamese villagers kept outside their straw-and-grass hooches. There were always worms and a variety of other insects floating around in the water. But it was water.

Once during the monsoon season when we were very, very far out, we ran out of food. Helicopters were not flying in that weather, so a tank was sent to resupply us. They forgot the food and delivered ammunition instead. A little communication mixup. We sat in holes with water up to our knees in a constant downpour of unimaginable ferocity, the little cardboard boxes of ammunition falling apart in the rain, and waited for an attack or starvation.

We had no communication with the outside world. We did not know about the protests against the war, we did not know how many people we were losing and we did not know of the Tet Offensive until we became caught up in it. We knew only that every day we wanted to live to the next.

We had no body armor; we had no armor of any sort. We had steel helmets that we wore in the oppressive heat, which raised the body temperature to triple digits. We had tears and holes in our filthy Jungle Utilities, and we stank, I am quite sure, very badly. However, we had to remain clean-shaven, with a proper haircut.

That was a very long time ago, but for most of us who were there -- those who did the terrible work of the grunt -- it is still now. It is an experience impossible to shake however hard we try. I learned of the lies the government told of our circumstances and our glorious success only after I returned from combat to a hospital in the States. That is when I finally understood fully the hopeless futility of our lives, as cheap as they were, in Vietnam. We were not heroes by any measure; we were fools.

Now I see it happening all over again. The lies from President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, all of them.

The troops in Iraq have no body armor. They have no armor for their vehicles. Rumsfeld signs letters of condolence with an autopen. Bush tells us repeatedly of our success. He said our mission was accomplished.

Can it be? How can it be? How can it happen again? Why doesn't someone tell the truth?

I feel like screaming, but I am too far out in the jungle for anybody to notice. I dream and I despair.

Morgan Strong is a journalist who served in Vietnam as a Marine grunt from 1966 to 1968. He lives in Brick Township.

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
::ywan::

Emotional manipulation and hyperbole are consistenly the stock for liberal hate soup.

Liberal hate soup? I thought you were a liberal?

 

Starbuck1975

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In Vietnam, the Marine grunt lived a life of constant deprivation. We had shoddy equipment, little food, no shelter and unrelenting demands. We carried a poncho and a half blanket. We slept on the ground and hoped we could find water. Only every few months did we get the chance to shower.

Sigh...these journalists just love to evoke haunting images of Vietnam...yet combat conditions have been the same regardless of the war, whether or not said was was justified, and if we won said war. I am sure this quote would apply to American revolutionaries at Valley Force or American paratroopers holding the line during the Battle of the Bulge.

A soldier's life always has been and always will be hell...how our society peceives and understands their sacrifices depends on how others choose to politically spin it.
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
::ywan::

Emotional manipulation and hyperbole are consistenly the stock for liberal hate soup.

Liberal hate soup? I thought you were a liberal?
I am. A long time one too. Longer than many of the liberals in here arguing have been alive. That's why I can so easily point at my own with such derision.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
::ywan::

Emotional manipulation and hyperbole are consistenly the stock for liberal hate soup.

Liberal hate soup? I thought you were a liberal?

:D:thumbsup:
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
In Vietnam, the Marine grunt lived a life of constant deprivation. We had shoddy equipment, little food, no shelter and unrelenting demands. We carried a poncho and a half blanket. We slept on the ground and hoped we could find water. Only every few months did we get the chance to shower.

Sigh...these journalists just love to evoke haunting images of Vietnam...yet combat conditions have been the same regardless of the war, whether or not said was was justified, and if we won said war. I am sure this quote would apply to American revolutionaries at Valley Force or American paratroopers holding the line during the Battle of the Bulge.

A soldier's life always has been and always will be hell...how our society peceives and understands their sacrifices depends on how others choose to politically spin it.

This is why we only go to war as a last resort.

A soldier's life consists of being prepared for warfare when it is absolutely necessary, not at the whim and fancy of practiced liars.

 

Starbuck1975

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This is why we only go to war as a last resort.
You would be hard pressed to find any war throughout history that was not unavoidable or preventable...there has never been nor will there ever be a gold standard that dictates how, when or should a nation go to war. The only thing that has changed is that through the information age, we have more insight into the decision making of our nation's leaders, which can be flawed, impetuous and arrogant.

A soldier's life consists of being prepared for warfare when it is absolutely necessary, not at the whim and fancy of practiced liars.
Our political system encourages, promotes and rewards those who practice the art of lying...as do many professions, although the distinction being that other professions do not result in people being killed...although I still maintain that the Bush Administration is more guilty of poor planning and flawed execution then lying...going to war based on faulty intelligence, or having such a will and desire to go to war as to ignore all information encouraging otherwise, is a case of poor leadership...not necessarily deception.