Plato's Republic

[mrSHEiK124]

Taking a bullshit mandatory Honors College class, we didn't read the Republic, and I've got to write a 1500 word paper (500 words summarizing what Plato said, 1000 of my analysis) supporting or defending his view of an ideal society........help?

 

[BeauJangles]

Come on man. It takes five seconds to find cliffnotes for the book online. Don't ask ATOT to do your homework.

I mean, I'm happy to proofread essays, help structure thoughts, but I think you can go and find a summary of the damn book.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Come on man. It takes five seconds to find cliffnotes for the book online. Don't ask ATOT to do your homework.

I mean, I'm happy to proofread essays, help structure thoughts, but I think you can go and find a summary of the damn book.

Yeah I found a summary of the damn book, but it's all so freakin confusing. I can't understand half of the shit they're talking about, and I don't even know where to start looking for information on his ideal view of a society. From what I can gather, that's the WHOLE DAMN BOOK.

 

[BeauJangles]

see below

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Come on man. It takes five seconds to find cliffnotes for the book online. Don't ask ATOT to do your homework.

I mean, I'm happy to proofread essays, help structure thoughts, but I think you can go and find a summary of the damn book.

Yeah I found a summary of the damn book, but it's all so freakin confusing. I can't understand half of the shit they're talking about, and I don't even know where to start looking for information on his ideal view of a society. From what I can gather, that's the WHOLE DAMN BOOK.

Well, if I remember, Plato's vision of an ideal society is one ruled by elites and a philosopher king, who has the best intentions for all of society.

The ship metaphor explains his reasoning for wanting a philosopher king - if the entire country was a ship, everybody would be squabbling for control over the wheel while the philosopher king would be studying the stars. Basically, what he's saying is that the philosopher king is the ideal leader because he studies how to lead and is not concerned with the politics and infighting that occurs during the actual assumption of power.

My memory is really spotting though, I took my political philosophy class about 3 years ago.


Also, sorry about being harsh, I just don't like when people come on here demanding answers because they're too lazy to do work themselves... next time say you've been trying to understand the book and you'll probably get a lot more help.

also, check out this wikipedia article I found for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

 

[nageov3t]

seems pretty weird for an intro class to assign a paper before even having to read the book for class.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Come on man. It takes five seconds to find cliffnotes for the book online. Don't ask ATOT to do your homework.

I mean, I'm happy to proofread essays, help structure thoughts, but I think you can go and find a summary of the damn book.

Yeah I found a summary of the damn book, but it's all so freakin confusing. I can't understand half of the shit they're talking about, and I don't even know where to start looking for information on his ideal view of a society. From what I can gather, that's the WHOLE DAMN BOOK.

Well, if I remember, Plato's vision of an ideal society is one ruled by elites and a philosopher king, who has the best intentions for all of society.

The ship metaphor explains his reasoning for wanting a philosopher king - if the entire country was a ship, everybody would be squabbling for control over the wheel while the philosopher king would be studying the stars. Basically, what he's saying is that the philosopher king is the ideal leader because he studies how to lead and is not concerned with the politics and infighting that occurs during the actual assumption of power.

My memory is really spotting though, I took my political philosophy class about 3 years ago.


Also, sorry about being harsh, I just don't like when people come on here demanding answers because they're too lazy to do work themselves... next time say you've been trying to understand the book and you'll probably get a lot more help.

also, check out this wikipedia article I found for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

I did kinda come off like a lazy fuck, I'm just panicking. I understood that much from the 5 minute discussion our "professor", I use that term lightly, had about the book. It wasn't required or even recommended reading, it was discussion fodder for about one class period before we moved onto, YAY, let's do plays about Plato. I got the general idea of what his ideal society is, but I certainly don't have enough to write 500 words worth of summary and 1000 words worth of analysis.

:suicide;

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Enjoy. I read Republic back when I was 19 or so (not for school, just on my own) and it about made my head explode. Not an easy read if my memory serves.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Come on man. It takes five seconds to find cliffnotes for the book online. Don't ask ATOT to do your homework.

I mean, I'm happy to proofread essays, help structure thoughts, but I think you can go and find a summary of the damn book.

Yeah I found a summary of the damn book, but it's all so freakin confusing. I can't understand half of the shit they're talking about, and I don't even know where to start looking for information on his ideal view of a society. From what I can gather, that's the WHOLE DAMN BOOK.

Well, if I remember, Plato's vision of an ideal society is one ruled by elites and a philosopher king, who has the best intentions for all of society.

The ship metaphor explains his reasoning for wanting a philosopher king - if the entire country was a ship, everybody would be squabbling for control over the wheel while the philosopher king would be studying the stars. Basically, what he's saying is that the philosopher king is the ideal leader because he studies how to lead and is not concerned with the politics and infighting that occurs during the actual assumption of power.

My memory is really spotting though, I took my political philosophy class about 3 years ago.


Also, sorry about being harsh, I just don't like when people come on here demanding answers because they're too lazy to do work themselves... next time say you've been trying to understand the book and you'll probably get a lot more help.

also, check out this wikipedia article I found for you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

I did kinda come off like a lazy fuck, I'm just panicking. I understood that much from the 5 minute discussion our "professor", I use that term lightly, had about the book. It wasn't required or even recommended reading, it was discussion fodder for about one class period before we moved onto, YAY, let's do plays about Plato. I got the general idea of what his ideal society is, but I certainly don't have enough to write 500 words worth of summary and 1000 words worth of analysis.

:suicide;

Well, that wikipedia article at least tells you what books to consult. I'd recommend plugging those books into google and trying to find specific summaries. That and tell your professor he's a moron for making you write a paper on a book you didn't have to read.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

OK, new question, which of the following three topics would be easier to write about, criticize or defends his: ideal society, views on arts, views on forms of government.
I'm leaning towards views on forms of government or views on the arts because both of them are condensed into a much smaller part of the book, but it seems like the whole ideal society shit is spread throughout the WHOLE 400 page book.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Well, that wikipedia article at least tells you what books to consult. I'd recommend plugging those books into google and trying to find specific summaries. That and tell your professor he's a moron for making you write a paper on a book you didn't have to read.

I gave him the "you're a moron" shtick for completely NEGLECTING to mention in 2 e-mails or both times I asked him in person (before/after class) about what I had missed during one sick period. Turns out we discussed some engineering shit (which he mentioned, and was completely unrelated to the course material) and LEFT OUT a quiz we had the next class period. This was as he gave me the "it's your responsibility to catch up on...." shtick and I cut him off midsentence.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Enjoy. I read Republic back when I was 19 or so (not for school, just on my own) and it about made my head explode. Not an easy read if my memory serves.

Same here. I got the gist at the time, and the gist is about all I remember.

It's very strange that he's asking you to write that long of an essay about a book you weren't even assigned to read. In fact it's kind of educationally irresponsible... just weird IMO.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

I think I'm gonna bite the late 5 point penalty, turn it in Thursday, and study for the Descartes quiz we have tomorrow. I aced the one paper we've already had to turn in, but I bombed the first quiz, procrastination priorities