plasma to lcd - question on blurring

[Instan00dles]

I currently have a 60' LG plasma and the TV is fantastic except for one issue, it’s in my living room and during the day it can become downright unusable when the room is bright. The TV is 3 years old and I have been toying with the idea of replacing it with a 60"+ LCD tv if there are some decent sales in the next few months. I was just hoping for some input on a question.

Before I bought this TV I had a Toshiba 3D lcd tv and I took it back because playing games on it was terrible. When you move your camera around the entire screen tended to blur together, it bothered my eyes and if I played too long I ended up with headaches. Is there some spec on a TV that I should be looking for to avoid blurring? The tv was listed at 120Hz and I was hoping the higher refresh rate would have helped get rid of the blurring but it didn’t. The plasma I have now is fantastic in that regard, it is much better to play games on except for the image retention when things get left on the screen too long.

I think if I could find a good deal on a TV now I could sell the plasma while it still have some value left to offset the cost of a new TV, I will be off for 2 weeks during Christmas and would love to play fallout 4 during the day. Even when on maximum brightness and the curtains closed the reflections on the TV make it very hard to see things in a dark game/movie.

 

[razel]

Gamed on plasma, LCD and 3D LCD. You will have no issues if you turn off the majority of the junk. 3D, edge enhancement, smooth motion, etc. In fact I also found no need for 'game' mode on a TV once all that junk is off. Game mode is the easy way for the average joe to turn it off. Also a 60" LCD from LG can be had in the $500-$600 range. Just be tenacious with your shopping.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The honest truth is no, nothing touches plasma when it comes to motion blur. That is why plasmas used to sell themselves on the marketing lie that they were 600hz, because the worst plasma has better motion blur than the best 480hz LED tv. Even on really expensive 4k LED tvs they don't get anywhere near that in regards to motion resolution.

Companies are working on technology to cut this gap for LEDs now that plasmas are dead, but none of that tech are in current TVs. The absolute nicest LED (or even OLED) you can buy will have much worse motion blur than your plasma, it is a limit of the technology.

If motion blur is something you are sensitive to you need to keep the plasma for as long as you can. There isn't a LED tv on the market I would trade my Panny plasma for because of that exact reason, I am sensitive to motion blur too.

 

[soulcougher73]

The honest truth is no, nothing touches plasma when it comes to motion blur. That is why plasmas used to sell themselves on the marketing lie that they were 600hz, because the worst plasma has better motion blur than the best 480hz LED tv. Even on really expensive 4k LED tvs they don't get anywhere near that in regards to motion resolution.

Companies are working on technology to cut this gap for LEDs now that plasmas are dead, but none of that tech are in current TVs. The absolute nicest LED (or even OLED) you can buy will have much worse motion blur than your plasma, it is a limit of the technology.

If motion blur is something you are sensitive to you need to keep the plasma for as long as you can. There isn't a LED tv on the market I would trade my Panny plasma for because of that exact reason, I am sensitive to motion blur too.

You can take me Pioneer KRP-500M (D-Nice calibrated) and Panasonic TC-65PS64 from my cold dead hands!!!

 

[poofyhairguy]

You can take me Pioneer KRP-500M (D-Nice calibrated) and Panasonic TC-65PS64 from my cold dead hands!!!

Exactly how I feel about my two Panny ST plasmas.

 

[Instan00dles]

I was worried about that, maybe I just need to invest in a good set of black out curtains. I may buy a TV from costco if one gets in around my price range (900ish CAD) just to try it out again. The no motion blurr was exactly what sold me on the plasma, I really hope if LCD's dont cut it that I can keep this one going for along time.

 

[poofyhairguy]

If you are going to try a LED LGs do the best FYI:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/motion-blur-and-response-time

 

[Smoke]

Exactly how I feel about my two Panny ST plasmas.

My Pioneer Elite 50" with Darby is tough to beat. Maybe I'll eventually get one of the 4K OLEDs when there is enough 4K programming to justify.

 

[poofyhairguy]

My Pioneer Elite 50" with Darby is tough to beat. Maybe I'll eventually get one of the 4K OLEDs when there is enough 4K programming to justify.

OLEDs are pretty bad about motion blur too. The 4K model doesn't even have full 1080p motion resolution unless you turn on interpolation! Companies are trying to mitigate the issue with blank frame insertion, but that isn't the same as what plasma offers.

The "answer" will be everyone forgetting how smooth plasma used to be. You will be missed!

 

[JackBurton]

OLEDs are pretty bad about motion blur too. The 4K model doesn't even have full 1080p motion resolution unless you turn on interpolation! Companies are trying to mitigate the issue with blank frame insertion, but that isn't the same as what plasma offers.

The "answer" will be everyone forgetting how smooth plasma used to be. You will be missed!

The new OLED models by LG are simply amazing. I love both of my plasmas (Pioneer Elite 141 and 111, pro ISF calibrated), but the PQ on the new LGs really took it to a new level. That would be the ONLY replacement for my Pioneers now. I demoed 4K content on one of them recently and was blown away. Super detailed, crisp, and the motion was very smooth (need to test it out with some fast action). But the biggest surprise was the 3D. Absolutely amazing. I hated 3D before, but this set made me a convert. Just an amazing implementation. Much better than I've ever experienced, and that's including IMAX. Totally blown away. Fantastic set! Just need it n 75".

Oh yeah, to OPs question. LCDs suck. Don't get one.

And FYI, LED is LCD. No such thing as an LED TV. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If you are going to try a LED LGs do the best FYI:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-results/motion-blur-and-response-time

Only if you are going to spend the money on OLED and deal with their quirks. In that chart the Samsung TVs rate higher in the motion blur and response time tests than any LG LED(LCD) set they tested.

Also be aware that when viewing Ultra HD content on OLED screens, HDR won't work correctly. After watching UHD content in HDR I have a hard time watching anything without it. A small explanation below about OLED and HDR. Do note that the Samsung JS9500 which is a full array LED TV can achieve 726.7 cd/m2 in a 2% window as compared to the OLED's measurement of 336.4(for the EF9100) and 346.2(on the EF9500). This means that the Samsung screen will appear brighter and for HDR content that is important. To me HDR and WCG are the two most important features for UHD TVs going forward and not displaying HDR content the way the director intended it to be is kind of a bad thing. It's not LG's fault, just the way OLED screens work at the present time. The reviewer admits they had look for it to notice but anyway, it's just something to be aware of. I find peak brightness to contribute to what makes HDR really pop. I've viewed it on a couple different sets and the set that got brighter stood out more to me.

As with other OLED TVs, the LG 55EG9100's luminosity changes depending on what is displayed on the screen. This is called ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiter) and it cannot be disabled. When a small white square is displayed, and with 'OLED Light' to the max, it is able to attain a brightness of 336.4 cd/m2. However, it cannot maintain that luminosity on a fully bright screen - it drops to 80.63 cd/m2. More on this in the Q&A section of our review. For HDR, what this means is the luminosity of the highlights will change drastically depending on the scene.

Still black levels and motion clarity will be better so anything without HDR encoding will obviously look better. That means all 1080p sources.


As it pertains to the OP, if blur is a concern then you'll be disappointed in any LCD panel out there. I notice it on all my TVs but I live with it thanks to the low input lag on the sets I own which for me is of greater importance in gaming. Video though, especially good 1080p video will never look as smooth as you are used to with a Plasma. OLED is the closest we have right now, but it has it's own minor issues as well.