Planning on buying a new processor, is AMD's A10-7850K good for rendering?

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Battousai01

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Hi guys! I am planning on upgrading my current CPU which is a Pentium Dual Core E6600 and my graphics card which is a GeForce GTS 250 with an APU.

I am currently looking at AMD's A10-7850K since I am also on a budget. I am mainly playing games on a console but will also be playing StarCraft 2 and probably try out some racing games and FPS on PC but not really into gaming on PC. My concern would be rendering, is A10-7850K a good processor for rendering such as 3DS Max and AutoCAD/Revit?

The closest priced Intel processor to the A10-7850K I can find is the i5-4460, but do you think the APU is better for rendering?

Lastly, I am thinking of retaining the GTS 250, if ever I install it with the APU or let's say the i5, would it be a bottleneck or a performance boost? I can see that this graphics card still packs a good performance.
 
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I would much rather get a Pentium G3258, overclock it and a R7 265 or a GTX 750/750Ti (if CUDA is needed). Will blow the 7850K's integrated graphics out of the water in games.

Rendering, I dunno.
 
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If its not GPU assisted, the i5 is faster for sure. For gaming the i5 is faster. The i5 also uses less power if thats a concern for long rendering.
 
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Abwx said:
Yes and i linked AT benches of the GTX260 compared to the 250 equivalent that you brand rubbish, here the GTX240 in comparison, unfortunately i see no GTX250 in AT GFX benches, it should be between thoses two.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/611?vs=535
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And how is it related again? The OP now need to buy what, APU+dGPU?

Not to mention, GT 240? The OP owns a GTS 250.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gts250/specifications
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-240/specifications
 
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Hi guys! Thanks for the replies. Let's say we will remove the GTS 250 out of the setup and just compare both A10-7850K and the i5-4460? what would be best for rendering?
 
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Battousai01 said:
Hi guys! Thanks for the replies. Let's say we will remove the GTS 250 out of the setup and just compare both A10-7850K and the i5-4460? what would be best for rendering?
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The i5-4460. Much, much stronger per core.

The FX-8320E/8370E are also interesting options. If you can stretch your budget, the Xeon E3-1230v3/1231v3.
 
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FX8320E with a low OC to 4GHz and will be faster than any Core i5 in 3DS max and at lower price.
 
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ShintaiDK said:
If its not GPU assisted, the i5 is faster for sure. For gaming the i5 is faster. The i5 also uses less power if thats a concern for long rendering.
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I would love to see the i5+gtx250 power consumption below a10-7850k. The card takes more than the whole APU. Get back on earth.

It's all matter if your software can take advantage of integrated graphics. If it can then this happens:
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If the software make use of HSA:
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What is cool about it is you can pair APU with any GPU for rendering (is software allows). Here they tested A10-7850k with GTX580:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Fully-Enabling-A10-7850K-while-Utilizing-Standalone-GPU
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Yes, that is CPU+IGP+NV DGPU doing rendering of a single scene together!
 
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Get a Core i5 and don't look backup. All around great CPU performance both in single threaded and multi thread tasks. And low power consumption on top of that. Starcraft 2 relies a lot on per core performance, Haswell real shines here.
 
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The FX83xx is faster than any Core i5 in 3DS Max and cheaper.

As i have said, FX8320E will be much better than any Core i5.
 
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If you are going to do any CAD work, you will find that most CAD rendering is single-threaded. You are going to want the best single-threaded performance you can get for that sort of task. On a budget, you might actually be better off with an overclocked G3258 than anything else. It will blow away some locked i5 for CAD, at least when it comes down to the core rendering process.

If you want an idea of where the 7850k sits in 3dsMax, check out:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/kaveri-review-a10-7850k/14/

Really, if you're going to go Kaveri, you should look at software that can take advantage of the iGPU for compute tasks. Luxrender (or something based on it) would be good for you if you choose a Kaveri chip.
 
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Battousai01 said:
I am currently looking at AMD's A10-7850K since I am also on a budget. I am mainly playing games on a console but will also be playing StarCraft 2 and probably try out some racing games and FPS on PC but not really into gaming on PC. My concern would be rendering, is A10-7850K a good processor for rendering such as 3DS Max and AutoCAD/Revit?
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It would be nice if you give us a budget ceiling, because AutoCAD/3DS Max are among the most demanding applications on the PC ecosystem. We might soon be talking about 6/8C Xeon with 16/32GB of RAM and 4-8GB professional grade GPUs worth thousands of dollars...

In any case, both 3DS and AutoCAD need good ST performance, something the 7850k sorely lacks, and it would be nice if you could have a dedicated card with at least 2GB of RAM, because the bandwidth choked 7850k won't cut it. If you are really on budget, get a Pentium G3258, overclock it and get a cheap Quadro dGPU, or if you cannot afford it, a cheaper FirePro dGPU. Don't forget that you might need tons of RAM depending on what you are working.
 
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FX8320 - worst single threaded performance, no integrated GPU, greatest multithreaded performance, most power usage
7850K - slightly better single threaded performance, best integrated GPU (but still slower than any card you can buy), worst multithreaded performance
i5 - best single threaded performance, lousy iGPU for gaming, middle multithreaded performance, least power usage

If you plan to buy a discrete GPU, a 7850K makes no sense. Something like 80% of the chip is integrated GPU, but it's blown away by the cheapest discrete video card on the market.

The FX will beat the i5 in well threaded applications by a bit and lose badly in those that need single-threaded throughput. An i5 + discrete GPU will provide the best experience in games on average, and trades blows with the FX in rendering tasks, winning some and losing some. The FX has no iGPU and requires that you buy one, and you'll not want to play any games on the i5's. For that matter, the experience won't be great on the 7850K's either, but at least you'll be able to run modern games.

A Pentium with a discrete GPU (HD7770 / R260) would have around double the gaming performance at close to the same price point as a 7850K. It would win in single threaded tasks and those that are GPU accelerated, and lose in multithreaded tasks.

Overall, an i5 offers the least compromises but is probably the most expensive option. A 7850K offers the most compromises and only makes sense in a few exceptional cases.
 
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i5 is more powerful for rendering. Honestly the FX 8xxx series would probably give you more bang for the buck but viewport performance is singlethreaded as well as other non-rendering tasks.
 
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Yuriman said:
FX8320 - worst single threaded performance, no integrated GPU, greatest multithreaded performance, most power usage
7850K - slightly better single threaded performance, best integrated GPU (but still slower than any card you can buy), worst multithreaded performance
i5 - best single threaded performance, lousy iGPU for gaming, middle multithreaded performance, least power usage

If you plan to buy a discrete GPU, a 7850K makes no sense. Something like 80% of the chip is integrated GPU, but it's blown away by the cheapest discrete video card on the market.

The FX will beat the i5 in well threaded applications by a bit and lose badly in those that need single-threaded throughput. An i5 + discrete GPU will provide the best experience in games on average, and trades blows with the FX in rendering tasks, winning some and losing some. The FX has no iGPU and requires that you buy one, and you'll not want to play any games on the i5's. For that matter, the experience won't be great on the 7850K's either, but at least you'll be able to run modern games.

A Pentium with a discrete GPU (HD7770 / R260) would have around double the gaming performance at close to the same price point as a 7850K. It would win in single threaded tasks and those that are GPU accelerated, and lose in multithreaded tasks.

Overall, an i5 offers the least compromises but is probably the most expensive option. A 7850K offers the most compromises and only makes sense in a few exceptional cases.
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Actually, it is off topic, but it would be interesting to see how APUs perform on the igp in some of the recently really demanding (poorly optimized?) games like AC:U, Watchdogs, and DA:I. Dont think I have seen any tests in these games, but I have a feeling they would not do well at all.
 
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Neither. If you render all day every day get a 5820K. If its casual then an i5. FX is even more of a dead end than LGA 1155 - do you really want a 2010 era socket?
 
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frozentundra123456 said:
Actually, it is off topic, but it would be interesting to see how APUs perform on the igp in some of the recently really demanding (poorly optimized?) games like AC:U, Watchdogs, and DA:I. Dont think I have seen any tests in these games, but I have a feeling they would not do well at all.
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Good question, and as the resident, self appointed apu expert I would test it out but f@€¥ if I'm gonna support Uplay and origin.

/ot if the programs are ocl base then the apu and a bargain basement dgpu aren't a bad combo.
 
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monstercameron said:
Good question, and as the resident, self appointed apu expert I would test it out but f@€¥ if I'm gonna support Uplay and origin.

/ot if the programs are ocl base then the apu and a bargain basement dgpu aren't a bad combo.
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EA has gotten a lot better. I won't purchase a game on Origin until they develop their own inhome streaming service though. But Origin has made a lot of strides and even has more games available free to play for awhile than Steam does currently.
But their feature set is weak compared to Valve's but remember how terrible Steam was when it started...
It was far worse than Origin's start. There wasn't a single thing that worked well when Steam started.
 
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EA has gotten a lot better. I won't purchase a game on Origin until they develop their own inhome streaming service though. But Origin has made a lot of strides and even has more games available free to play for awhile than Steam does currently.

But their feature set is weak compared to Valve's but remember how terrible Steam was when it started...

It was far worse than Origin's start. There wasn't a single thing that worked well when Steam started.
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My disdain for origin is much more vain and shallow. Just want my stuff on steam.
 
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