planning IVB build; 7770? 7850? inbetween?

[Kartajan]

System Specifications:
I. Processor/CPU: Current= i5-750 (S-1156) Planned= i5-3470 (??) (S-1155; IVB)
II. Current Graphics Card: Current= HD 5770
III. Display Resolution: OLD=1680*1050 NEW=1920*1080
IV. PSU:Antec EA-650 650W 10A @ 115V Approx 3 yrs old, http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjAzNg==&lan=en
V. Case: Asus V3-P5G33 (Basic mATX case with semi decent airflow)
link to the manual: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=8&s=15&m=V3-P5G33&os=&hashedid=biwC5cR1KFeHkbEL

Purchase Details:
I. Budget? Not set in stone, but prefer to keep it under 300. I.E nearly half of the upgrade cost for a 600-650 upgrade<more under would be more better >
II. Preferences: lean AMD, Brand=none, Cooling Solutions=blow out of the case
III. Do you plan to have any Multi-GPU solutions such as Crossfire or SLI? NO
IV. Have you previously looked at a product(s) which you feel would fit your needs? Yes, but looking for independant opinion
V. What are your needs for this GPU? UT3, Civ5 at native resolution. Would like a performance bump at same/ similar power and temerature levels
VI. Do you plan on overclocking the card you intend to purchase? NO

Additional Notes
Staying at mATX case, so power & heat can be a significant factor. The PSU I have should be sufficient for the power levels appropriate for this case without cooling solutions that are a bit over the top for my preference. (not a jab at those who would put a crossfire rig in a mATX case)
I think what I am looking for would actually be in the hole between the HD-7770 and HD-7850.

The whole idea is to boost performance with "similar" power needs- just my little 5770 is getting long in the tooth, and doesn't really cut it with the minor increase in screen real estate.

Side note; running a Crucial M4 128G SSD, would get a little boost from MB change due to increase of SATA-2 to SATA-3

 

[biostud]

is your current rig overclocked?

 

[Kartajan]

no overclocking.

my last overclock was the Celeron 300A (to 450)......

 

[aaksheytalwar]

AMD 6870 sits right btw those cards.

 

[IGhzI]

The 7770 is pointless to grab just pick up the 6850 save the money
I went looking again because im in the same boat got a 5770 myself.. best bang for the buck that ive seen is the gtx 570 its beats the 7850 in bf3 benchmarks and its only 280.. But yet again your going to need the 750watt psu.

 

[biostud]

Any specific reason for not over clocking? because a good o/c + a 7870 would be the best investment IMHO, you can easily get 3.4-3.6Ghz without much temperature increase. I have my setup in a mATX case and no problems with heat/noise

 

[LoneNinja]

Your going to want stronger than a 7770 to replace a 5770, they aren't that much faster and the price/performance isn't very good.

Wait and see if prices come down on the 7850, or pick up a 6870/6950, or an equivalent card from Nvidia.

 

[3DVagabond]

Just read THIS review on the Asus 7850 DC II. Strange selection of benchmarks, but shows the O/C capability with a good cooler and voltage tweaking (first time I've seen that). 1300 core/1525 memory. At those clocks it will easily run 1050/1080 res at high settings.

 

[toyota]

going from a 5770 to a 7770 is only a 25-30% upgrade. considering you are also going to higher res, it would make that 7770 an even smaller upgrade. 7850 would be the lowest card I would get for 1920x1080.

 

[SickBeast]

OP the 7770 is underpowered and the 7850 is about $60 overpriced.

The GTX 560 Ti 448 is an excellent buy for $190 if you can find one.

 

[vailr]

If you wanted to stay within the (cooler running) PCIe 3.0 generation of video cards, there'll be an AMD 7790 card in a month or two(?). The 7790 will be the lowest priced AMD 7000 series card with a 256-bit memory interface. The 7770 and 7750 both have 128-bit memory interfaces.
Or else: the mid-range nVidia (Kepler GPU) 600 series, which are also yet to be released.

 

[philipma1957]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&amp;SID=u00000687


SEEMS to me this is decent for you 175 instant code is HARDOCPX4X4B drops to 160 then mail in rebate is 30 off to go to 130.00 net.

I have the same card, but 2 fan model, it is a nice card for 130,

 

[digitaldurandal]

But yet again your going to need the 750watt psu.

I run 570 SLI on a 750w, and they are mildly overclocked with an overclocked i7. He will be fine with a 650 provided it is a quality brand name with the appropriate connectors.

If you are okay with 7770 performance than grab a 5770 or 6770 used, they are the same card.

 

[Kartajan]

Since this is planning for an IVB build, and I am waiting anyway, I guess my best bet would be to wait and see how the Kepler gk104/106s and the HD-7790 look whenever they fall out. I appreciate the comments about the 6850, but I really am looking to go all current with the upgrade, and I am also really looking closely at managing my "temperature budget".

I could, of course, change out the case for a more efficient/ better cooling one- but then again I am looking to minimize how much extra stuff I end up with, and I already have an extra case that I need to dispose of (aka- put my outgoing system into & sell off)...

 

[LoneNinja]

I run 570 SLI on a 750w, and they are mildly overclocked with an overclocked i7. He will be fine with a 650 provided it is a quality brand name with the appropriate connectors.

If you are okay with 7770 performance than grab a 5770 or 6770 used, they are the same card.

A 7770 is not the same thing as a 5770/6770, it's a new 28nm card on AMDs new architecture and performs better while consuming less power, it just isn't a big enough upgrade to justify the cost.

Did you read the original post? He currently has a 5770, so I don't know why you would tell him to buy one for an upgrade.

 

[tweakboy]

your video becomes the bottleneck... gl

 

[tuffluck]

i have a 7850 and OC'd it to the max in CCC at 1050/1450, which is about a 20% OC. i have a 2500k that is not OC'd and with BF3 on ultra settings (less deferred AA) on 1080p i average 60fps. i have run fraps many times to confirm that average, but they are always above 55fps. 3dMark2011 score is 6,100, which is higher than a 570. the card actually runs 2 degrees warmer with no fan adjustments from the stock speeds. i can't see how having it OC'd that much puts any more strain on the card than stock speeds.

i have still yet to see a great benchmark on OC'ing the CPU, but my CPU never hits max on any cores during BF3 play. turbo boost is on and the highest speed my processor has hit is 3.3ghz. i hit 3.5ghz in 3dmark2011 for reference. so i personally don't see much benefit in the OC'ing of the CPU at this point. however, the 7850 averaged about 48fps at stock speeds, and with the 20% increase it gained an average of about 12fps, so i definitely think that is a worthwhile OC.

so then my vote would be no CPU OC and get a 7850 and OC it.

 

[Christian Ney]

Just read THIS review on the Asus 7850 DC II. Strange selection of benchmarks, but shows the O/C capability with a good cooler and voltage tweaking (first time I've seen that). 1300 core/1525 memory. At those clocks it will easily run 1050/1080 res at high settings.

Yeah I am on the way to update the benchmark selection:
I will remove RE5, Far Cry 2 and World in Conflict

and I will add:
Crysis 2
Dragon Age 2
Skyrim
Call of Pripyat
Down of War II
Batman Arkham City
And Alien vs Predator


What do you guys think ?

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah I am on the way to update the benchmark selection:
I will remove RE5, Far Cry 2 and World in Conflict

and I will add:
Crysis 2
Dragon Age 2
Skyrim
Call of Pripyat
Down of War II
Batman Arkham City
And Alien vs Predator


What do you guys think ?

Stone Giant doesn't seem to be that well optimized. Unless we want to believe that the gtx-480 is faster than the hd-7950 (for example)? :\ Unigine Heaven probably gives us enough info and is better balanced, IMHO.

 

[Christian Ney]

hum, true maybe Stone Giant has been more optimised for nvidia cards.

For Tesselation benchmark I will then use TessMark over Stone Giant I guess