Plane crash weekend 4-22-07: Blue Angels pilot and 8 others dies in crashes

dmcowen674

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This was a bad weekend for American airspace.

9 people died in three separate crashes.

Later today the pilot of the late Blue Angel pilot flying in his first airshow will be released by the Navy.

Condolences to his family and friends.

A small plane flying to the Bahamas didn't make it killing 5 people on board.

A small plane flying in Key West and apparently did not realize they were in restrcted airspace because of a unmanned U.S. Government War on Drugs Blimp had a cable tether 8,000 feet down to the ground.

The small plane clipped the cable with it's wing and crashed killing the 3 on board.

With drugs so readily available, is the blimp really worth it and doing any good?

Poll question added


4-21-2007 Blue Angel jet crashes at S.C. air show

Witnesses said metal and plastic wreckage ? some of it on fire ? hit homes in the neighborhood, located about 35 miles northwest of Hilton Head Island. William Winn, the county emergency management director, said several homes were damaged. Eight people on the ground suffered injuries that were not life threatening.

The crash took place in the final minutes of the air show, said Lt. Cmdr. Anthony Walley, a Blue Angel pilot. The pilots were doing a maneuver which involved all six planes joining from behind the crowd to form a Delta triangle, said Lt. Cmdr. Garrett D. Kasper, spokesman for the Blue Angels. One plane did not rejoin the formation.

The show was scheduled to continue Sunday, with a tribute to the Blue Angels planned. The team will not perform, military officials said.

The 2007 team has a new flight leader and two new pilots; Blue Angel pilots traditionally serve two-year rotations.

Kasper said the team would return to Florida on Sunday afternoon.

"We will regroup," he said.

4-22-2007 2 small planes crash off Florida coast

Two small planes carrying a total of eight people crashed in separate incidents off the coast of Florida, authorities said. No survivors had been found by late Saturday.

A Piper Aztec carrying five people crashed off the coast of Fort Lauderdale on Saturday, officials said.

Authorities lost radar contact with the plane at 9:20 a.m. while it was on its way to the Bahamas, Coast Guard Petty Officer Jennifer Johnson said. A rescue helicopter spotted the debris about 17 miles east of Fort Lauderdale, Johnson said.

Three others were believed dead after their small plane hit a blimp's wire tether and crashed off the Florida Keys, officials said.

The plane crashed late Friday night, and officials were sifting through wreckage Saturday and trying to identify the victims, said Monroe County sheriff's spokeswoman Becky Herrin.

Witnesses reported seeing the plane crash about two miles off the northern shore of Cudjoe Key, Herrin said.

The plane's wing hit the wire at about 4,000 feet ? halfway between the ground and the blimp ? then crashed in about two feet of water. The blimp does not appear to be damaged, Herrin said. A camera trained on the blimp captured the crash.

The blimp is used by the federal government to monitor suspected drug flights and other potentially harmful activity. The area surrounding it is restricted airspace, Herrin said.
 

blackangst1

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yeah tragic weekend for high profile pilots. Really sucks.

As far as the blimp...meh. I really couldnt care less. I have a feeling there are worse things to spend money on ;)
 

MedicBob

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:( about the deaths.

The Antiwar blimp as you have put it has been there longer then the "War on Drugs." I have going to the Keys from 1975 on and that blimp or one like it has been there as far back as I can remember. I believe it's use is DOD and it is used to monitor Cuba. Of course they do use it to track planes and I think even boats if they need/want to.
 

DealMonkey

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Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.

so what?

people die everyday on the highway...does that stop them from driving?

Is the risk of another person going on a shooting spree stopping you from going out your door?

Is the record of airline crashes stopping people from flying commercial?

Is the record of train collisions over the years stopping people from traveling by train?


People do not want the be penned up in their homes. They will venture out so they can enjoy themselves and the world around them even if it poses a risk.

that is life.
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.

Because people love to go to them. I try to make one at least every other year, they are so cool!!
 

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If the plane was in restricted airspace, especially restricted airspace that has been in restriction as long as these have, it's the pilot's fault, 100%. There are a variety of reasons why airspace can be restricted, aside from Security.

When I fly from Chicago to Black River Falls WI, there are several Military Training Routes (MTAs) and a restricted area around Sparta. You *can* fly through some restricted areas (and I have on many occasions) if the military is not using it (or whatever danger is absent)... to find out, you call them and ask. Every aviation map clearly shows reserved / restricted areas, and the procedures to see if they are "hot."

This incident with the blimp was just natural selection at work, unfortunately, the actions of a lax pilot also caused the death of other innocent, trusting people.

I'm sorry for the loss, but this has nothing to do with the government; just a stupid and/or lazy pilot.
 

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Originally posted by: ScottMac
If the plane was in restricted airspace, especially restricted airspace that has been in restriction as long as these have, it's the pilot's fault, 100%. There are a variety of reasons why airspace can be restricted, aside from Security.

When I fly from Chicago to Black River Falls WI, there are several Military Training Routes (MTAs) and a restricted area around Sparta. You *can* fly through some restricted areas (and I have on many occasions) if the military is not using it (or whatever danger is absent)... to find out, you call them and ask. Every aviation map clearly shows reserved / restricted areas, and the procedures to see if they are "hot."

This incident with the blimp was just natural selection at work, unfortunately, the actions of a lax pilot also caused the death of other innocent, trusting people.

I'm sorry for the loss, but this has nothing to do with the government; just a stupid and/or lazy pilot.

You beat me to it :)
 

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I'm sorry to say the first thought that came to mind when hearing about the Blue Angel crash was "Damn, I hope it wasn't the one (Saints QB) Drew Brees was in".

Two days before seeing the news of the crash I read that Brees was going to be flying with the Angels soon. My concern for the future of my favourite football team was more powerful than my concern for the life of the pilot.

It sucks to be a scumbag. Oh well.

Good news is Drew is alive and well and gonna carve up the league again next year.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.

I'd like to see some stats on airshow deaths in the United States. It has been a long while since I heard about tragedy at an airshow in this country.

 

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We've had an airshow at Thunder Over Louisville for 15 years, and AFAIK there has never been an accident.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.

so what?

people die everyday on the highway...does that stop them from driving?

Is the risk of another person going on a shooting spree stopping you from going out your door?

Is the record of airline crashes stopping people from flying commercial?

Is the record of train collisions over the years stopping people from traveling by train?


People do not want the be penned up in their homes. They will venture out so they can enjoy themselves and the world around them even if it poses a risk.

that is life.

Okay, good point. I sorta knee-jerked my response to this one. :)
 

shira

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The crash took place in the final minutes of the air show, said Lt. Cmdr. Anthony Walley, a Blue Angel pilot.
Duh. I would certainly hope so. Hard to imagine the air show continuing for more than a few minutes after a fatal crash.

 

alchemize

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Restricted airspace is restricted airspace. Sorry, that was the pilots fault.

As for the Blue Angels pilot, these guys know the risk better than any. It's one reason why I don't fly (as in I'm the pilot) anymore.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, you gotta wonder why we continue to have air shows in this country? The incidence of tragic death to pilots and spectators during these things seems all too common.

so what?

people die everyday on the highway...does that stop them from driving?

Is the risk of another person going on a shooting spree stopping you from going out your door?

Is the record of airline crashes stopping people from flying commercial?

Is the record of train collisions over the years stopping people from traveling by train?


People do not want the be penned up in their homes. They will venture out so they can enjoy themselves and the world around them even if it poses a risk.

that is life.
This is a good point, but clearly driving, going to college, flying, and traveling by train are necessities of life. And the reward/risk ratio is extremely high.

The risks associated with recreational activities seem harder to justify.
 

Craig234

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The thing making the case for air shows weaker is that their real purpose is to propagandize the public opinion to be more in favor of the military and its spending.

Go to an air show sometime and try to argue with people that the military budget should be cut. You won't really have a rational response.

It's just a 'marketing budget', including the occassional loss of life.

People's opinions on air shows. aka war porn, will likely be the same as their opinion on whether military spending generally is too high.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing making the case for air shows weaker is that their real purpose is to propagandize the public opinion to be more in favor of the military and its spending.

Go to an air show sometime and try to argue with people that the military budget should be cut. You won't really have a rational response.

It's just a 'marketing budget', including the occassional loss of life.

People's opinions on air shows. aka war porn, will likely be the same as their opinion on whether military spending generally is too high.

You can be an aviation fan and not be a warmonger, don't be so friggin dour.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing making the case for air shows weaker is that their real purpose is to propagandize the public opinion to be more in favor of the military and its spending.

Go to an air show sometime and try to argue with people that the military budget should be cut. You won't really have a rational response.

It's just a 'marketing budget', including the occassional loss of life.

People's opinions on air shows. aka war porn, will likely be the same as their opinion on whether military spending generally is too high.

You can be an aviation fan and not be a warmonger, don't be so friggin dour.

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