Pit Bulls attack 72 yr old woman

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BUTCH1

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Cool pics Anubis, those are some beautiful dogs, esp. the brown one. I never would have imagined that my fav. dog would be a pitt until I owned one!, LOL, mine likes to sleep a lot too but when she wakes up it's exercise time. Actually helps get me away from the 'puter I walk her at least 10-15 miles a week and play with her in the BY as well.
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
If they'd only put lipstick on it, it could have taken the kids to soccer.




Wait, I thought the pitbull drove the kids to hockey, and the pig flew the plane over the bridge to...ah forget it...too confusing.
 

ICRS

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Those sound like fight dogs. Here comes the ignorant pitbull hate-train.

Perhaps you could retort with the redeeming features of these asshole dogs?

Pitbulls are no more aggressive than any other dog, naturally. The dog is of moderate aggression, behind dogs like the beloved Golden Retriever. It is the asshole thug owners that raise them to be aggressive that is the problem.
The dogs were bred to fight. This is a fact.

I don't believe that Golden Retrievers are ranked higher in aggression than Pit Bulls, that seems ludicrous, but I'm researching.

Dalmations are very aggressive dogs.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.

Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET! :confused:
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.

As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.

The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.

People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.

If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
Can we get a picture of your pitbull smiling? :laugh:

OK......ready to PLAY BALL!!

HELLO! WTF R U DOOIN

Sleepin
I'm not seeing any smiles. :(
 

Drift3r

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Take an aggressive and sometimes inbred breed of dog now add a stupid, lazy, ignorant or all of the aforementioned traits for an owner and you get "INSTANT FAIL". People who want pitbull should have to prove that they have what it takes to own this dangerous creature. Really in the end I blame the owners for being stupid enough to believe that their pitbull did not have it in them to attack someone if the pitbull felt threaten.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Pheran


EDIT: Just in case you don't like the first set of stats, here's another study with very similar results - pit bulls on top, followed by rottweilers.

The thing that can be misleading about that statistic is that it doesn't show the other factors that contributed to the reason why the dog attacked.

For instance, let's say that most of the dogs that mauled someone were trained to be guard dogs/fighters. You're not going to find many labs or poodles which were fighting/guard dogs because they wouldn't be good at it. You're going to find a lot more pit bulls, rotts, dobermans, and German Shepherds doing that.

Also, it doesn't show the kind of people that owned them. Go to the ghetto and you see a lot of rotts and pit bulls. Thugs are attracted to those kinds of dogs and they raise the dogs in a thug-like manner. It's not surprising that the type of people who create a disproportionate amount of problems raise dogs that create a disproportionate amount of problems. Hell, they raise kids that create a disproportionate amount of problems.
 
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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Originally posted by: CKent
We can't be a free nation if a breed of dog is banned, but we can increase punishment for negligent owners.

This is a retarded statement. On many levels. I cant own a freaking bear can I? I must live in freaking red china!

bolded the stupid piece..

I'm pretty sure your constitution allows you to keep a bear. Or at least his arms.

You're just misinterpreting the Second Amendment using your own political bias as a lens. It obviously guarantees us the right to "keep and arm bears."
 

skyofavalon

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We need to take care of the dangerous people problem before we start worrying about dogs.Pitbulls aren't even a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things,how does this even make news ?

They pose not much more of a threat to the human race than the Abominable Snowman
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: skyofavalon
We need to take care of the dangerous people problem before we start worrying about dogs.Pitbulls aren't even a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things,how does this even make news ?

They pose not much more of a threat to the human race than the Abominable Snowman
How does this even make the news? :confused:
You really aren't that stupid are you? Did you read the article in the op?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...69935_pitbulls10m.html

I haven't read where the Abominable Snowman ripped into someone within inches of their life before either. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
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Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: CKent
We can't be a free nation if a breed of dog is banned, but we can increase punishment for negligent owners.

A breed of dog is banned. Only ranchers with a certain size of land are allowed to keep them. Its some kind of massive dog which I think they use to kill wildcats or something like that.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Irish Wolfhounds?
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: zanejohnson
on the other hand, the only dog i've ever seen actually attack a small child was a chihauhau rofl...
Would a Chihuahua put an 80-year-old woman into the ICU, or vice versa?

I say ban them. A majority of the voting public agrees. It's only time now until someone introduces a ballot measure and people vote to pass it.

the overwhelming majority of the voting public also believes in God, or some sort of deity. When looking for a consensus ability to rationalize actual statistics and facts, the majority voting public is not a reliable cohort.
 

SlickSnake

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DOGS BITE . ORG

THIS HAPPENED ON FRIDAY!
A four-month-old girl was killed in an attack by her family's two pit bulls on Friday

Pit bull kills 7-year-old Minneapolis boy at home

woman they say was killed by her two pit bulldogs while she was sleeping in her home in Southwest Louisiana

Tina Marie Canterbury of Middleburg, Florida was killed by two redbone pit bull terriers she had raised since their births.

American actor Ving Rhames? caretaker died after being mauled by Rhames? pet bull mastiffs at the former?s Los Angeles home.

I could post links of killings by pit bulls for hours. Note the deaths of owners that raised the pitt bulls. I am sure they would be happy to tell you how nice and tame the dogs were, but they are dead now, so they can't. This breed is an unpredictable killer breed. You may as well raise a tiger in your house and take your chances if you are going to raise one of these beasts.

And anyone who lets their kids get near these monsters, and the kids get killed or mauled, they should treat the parents just like if they left a loaded firearm laying around and the kid shot themselves or someone else with it, which would be at least involuntary manslaughter in most states.

And I am taking a special interest in this topic because I think I may end up becoming our cities lone animal control officer, along with code enforcement duties and firefighting and EMS. I may even get a concealed carry permit just for animal control and code enforcement, since I have been threatened by vicious dogs before myself while at work. That way I can pack heat and not scare anyone while doing code work.
 

SP33Demon

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Not to pull the "race card" into this, but we could easily say more races are more likely "to kill" and "be aggressive". Then we could link homicides that happened yesterday by people of said race. It's no different than what you're doing here, discriminating by race - which is stupid.

Yes, humans aren't animals, but there are bad apples in every batch. Especially when the "fight gene" is commonly bred, in dogs such as pits. Humans are also more predisposed to be "aggressive" genetically. A random example: look at M.Ali's daughter. Look at the offspring of any family of "fighters" like the Gracies from Brasil. It's genetically bred: they're more likely to be aggressive just like Pits who have a fighter lineage. So what is a viable solution? More oversight needs to be taken in tracing/recording familial lines for all large dogs, and require training for any large dog over X lbs and/or ones that are aggressive as puppies. Not a full fledged solution, but a start.
 

LS8

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When is the last time you heard about a pack of Labradors running down and mauling/killing a person?
 

JDawg1536

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Those sound like fight dogs. Here comes the ignorant pitbull hate-train.

Perhaps you could retort with the redeeming features of these asshole dogs?

Pitbulls are no more aggressive than any other dog, naturally. The dog is of moderate aggression, behind dogs like the beloved Golden Retriever. It is the asshole thug owners that raise them to be aggressive that is the problem.

"While pit bulls make up only 4 percent of licensed dogs, they make up 22 percent of reported bites."

Naturally? Like the same way a tiger shark is no more aggressive than a nurse shark?
 

Descartes

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I know a lot of people like to talk about how it's irrational to hate on pit bulls, but I still don't understand why you'd want to own one. Of all the great dogs you could call a companion, why would you seek out one that has such a stereotypical behavioral problem anyway? My guess is that they own them precisely because of this stereotype, because they like the attention or just flat out bad-assery of owning a dog that's known to have the highest number of fatality attacks.

But let's all talk about how they're no more aggressive and people own them because they're just such great family dogs.
 

Red Squirrel

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Pitbulls are actually banned here.

I don't agree that a dog should be put down for an attack unless it's to defend, which in this case they were shot in action which I agree - you do what you have to do to save someone in danger.

But if the dog was stopped and everything is under control, no. An attack, and killing, is two different things.

You get people who shoot a whole school or fly a plane into a building, they don't get "put down", yet a dog harms 1 person and everyone crys to put it down. No. It's the ower's fault, and perhaps they should be charged for not having it on a leash, or not training it properly. 11 years in jail is pushing it though. You don't even get that for raping someone. The law is so messed up.