Pit Bulls attack 72 yr old woman

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.
In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%2...DogBiteStatistics.html

*Sigh* We all know that pitbulls are the most attractive breed to a dog fighter. (Whatever you call them) So.. Why is this news? I mean FFS, it's in music videos. It's kinda main-stream knowledge that pitbulls are the chosen ones. -_-

It doesn't mean though that ALL pit bulls are bad and should be killed. My friend has one and it is one of the nicest little dogs ever. So loving. :) Bull dogs and chihuahuas on the other hand... (I have 2 Bull dogs and 1 chihuahua) tend to be the most fierce dogs I ever met. :'( But I still love them.

Anyway, GTFO you dog haters.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Originally posted by: SampSon
I'd like to see a poll of people on this forum that have actually been attacked by a pitbull.

I'd like to see a poll of people on this forum that actually have owned a Pit. Judging by pics in past posts of their animals, I would guess a very small portion.
So just because we don't own one we should have no negative opinion of the breed?

Shit, people on this board are quick to put down toy poodles, but have they ever owned one?
I've owned poodles and pits, as well as german shepards, labs, and rotties. My current dog is a pit.

Pit are, by far, THE most intelligent dog one can own. And that's the real problem. Most pit owners don't have the first clue how to raise, train, or discipline a pit. They take a lot of work but a are well worth it. Unfortunately too many stupid people own pits purely as ststus symbols and don't invest the time to raise/train them properly. It's sad because pits are the best dog of all when raised properly.
Pitts aren't listed on any list I've read as more intelligent than those breeds.

Collies, Poodles, and Shepards top the intelligence list.[/quote]
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Well how can anyone who has actually owned many of those breeds of dog argue against a list on the internet?

I submit.[/quote]

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Yeh, ta hell with studies and research. We'll go with your findings.[/quote]

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Of course. If it's on the internet, it must be true. Fuck experience.[/quote]
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That's a copout and you know it.

Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET! :confused:
 

skace

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
oh boy! another pit bull thread, filled with the same uninformed BS we've come to expect.

READ

So having sat down and read all 5 pages of this, allow me to summarize:

The article spends an exhaustive amount of time on categorization. Whether Pit Bulls are in fact the most dangerous breed or not. However, in all this long winded approach, the article never once attempts to label Pit Bulls as anything other than a dangerous and aggressive breed. It only makes a point to state that they are loyal and that the bite statistics for them fluctuate from year to year with other dangerous breeds.

So based on your article we've established that, yes, Pit Bulls are dangerous. Now we have to ask exactly how dangerous?

"Pit bulls, descendants of the bulldogs used in the nineteenth century for bull baiting and dogfighting, have been bred for ?gameness,? and thus a lowered inhibition to aggression. Most dogs fight as a last resort, when staring and growling fail. A pit bull is willing to fight with little or no provocation. Pit bulls seem to have a high tolerance for pain, making it possible for them to fight to the point of exhaustion. Whereas guard dogs like German shepherds usually attempt to restrain those they perceive to be threats by biting and holding, pit bulls try to inflict the maximum amount of damage on an opponent. They bite, hold, shake, and tear. They don?t growl or assume an aggressive facial expression as warning. They just attack. ?They are often insensitive to behaviors that usually stop aggression,? one scientific review of the breed states. ?For example, dogs not bred for fighting usually display defeat in combat by rolling over and exposing a light underside. On several occasions, pit bulls have been reported to disembowel dogs offering this signal of submission.? In epidemiological studies of dog bites, the pit bull is overrepresented among dogs known to have seriously injured or killed human beings, and, as a result, pit bulls have been banned or restricted in several Western European countries, China, and numerous cities and municipalities across North America. Pit bulls are dangerous."

Ok, so apparently the answer, again from your article, is pit bulls are very. fucking. dangerous. Do I even need to discuss this? It's pretty damning evidence in it's own right. We've got a breed that will attack without warning, meaning there is very little chance of the owner being able to correct the behavior before is too late, but more on the owners later. On top of that, once it has attacked, it's going for the kill. Point being is that there are other aggressive breeds that are a lot less dangerous when it actually comes to the attack.

Now, the article's suggestion, instead of banning Pit Bulls, was greater punishment for the owner. I don't disagree with this. However the amount of work they suggested doing, checking on the dog, reprimanding the owner, neutering the dog at the states cost, etc all come across pretty ridiculous when we are talking about trying to do everything possible to make a species bred for killing acceptable as a house pet. They basically suggested that we treat pit bull owners like they are on probation with cops rolling past their house to make sure their dog hasn't killed anyone today.

So let's talk about the owner. It comes up time and time again that despite Pit Bulls being bred for destruction, that it is often the owner that teaches them all these awful killing techniques or perhaps the owner's lack of teaching. But face it, the majority of dog owners are not Cesar Millan. All it takes is one person in the house to be bad at training the dog (and bad doesn't mean they train it to attack stuffed dummies of children) to create many bad habits for a dog, even one that has been through obedience school. Very few dogs are well trained across the grand spectrum, so at the end of the day we are putting a lot of faith into the dogs breed first and foremost. And what do we already know about a Pit Bulls?
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: evident
man, it's so true. the lady was also vietnamese too- could have been my grandmom! put that asshole down. i think the problem with pitbulls is that the owners dont give them enough training
The problem with Pit Bulls is that they have a genetic disposition to fighting; they were built for it, and it's hard wired.

All it takes is something to set them off and go into instinct mode.
This.

It's tough for some people to admit that though, because every bad pitbull is the result of bad owners. :confused:

They have a genetic disposition for fighting OTHER DOGS!!, I own a Pit and the 2 key points are, socialization and pack leader. If you keep an animal chained in the backyard it's gonna get a poor disposition, dogs need to be around their "pack" leader and he/she must set the proper tone and example. We work at socializing our dog by putting a muzzle on her and letting kids pet her at the ball park next door. Since we have no kids I want to make sure our dog knows they are not a threat. Not every pitbull attack is the fault of bad owners but I'd be willing to bet 95% of them are..
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: bvalpati
Battery and attempted murder charges for the owner.

No, not "attempted murder", he didn't "sic" the dogs on her, but he should still face felony charges for what happened in addition to her untold pain and suffering he should pay $$ for the rest of her life. I think the middle ground here is some form of mandatory licensing/training at the individual's expense if one wants to own certain breeds. Similar to a gun permit in that convicted felons would be ineligible to own one and training MUST be completed prior to ownership..
 

jonks

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"Your neighbor was just arrested for being a serial cannibal torturer murderer rapist. Any comments?"

"He seemed like such a nice quiet man."

According to the shelter, pit bulls account for a disproportionate number of reported bites in Seattle. While pit bulls make up only 4 percent of licensed dogs, they make up 22 percent of reported bites.

cue apologists
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: jonks
"Your neighbor was just arrested for being a serial cannibal torturer murderer rapist. Any comments?"

"He seemed like such a nice quiet man."

According to the shelter, pit bulls account for a disproportionate number of reported bites in Seattle. While pit bulls make up only 4 percent of licensed dogs, they make up 22 percent of reported bites.

cue apologists

Did you read the entire thread?, already been through this, a lot of morons/criminals get these dogs for the wrong reasons hence the disproportional amount of bites % wise..
 

AnonymouseUser

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Well it doesn't seem that the ban on pit bulls will ever happen, so maybe we can compromise.

Sterilization of the pit bull owners should be mandatory.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: jonks
"Your neighbor was just arrested for being a serial cannibal torturer murderer rapist. Any comments?"

"He seemed like such a nice quiet man."

According to the shelter, pit bulls account for a disproportionate number of reported bites in Seattle. While pit bulls make up only 4 percent of licensed dogs, they make up 22 percent of reported bites.

cue apologists

Did you read the entire thread?, already been through this, a lot of morons/criminals get these dogs for the wrong reasons hence the disproportional amount of bites % wise..

No I didn't read the whole thread, and nothing you said changes the PRACTICAL effect that these dogs attack more. If the reason they attack more is that their owners are douchebags that isn't something that changes the statistic. If cocker spaniels attacked people and tore them apart in disproportionate numbers because they were trained by owners to do so then we'd need to get rid of them. But they don't, and they aren't, so let's deal with the problem we have.
 

BUTCH1

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Well it doesn't seem that the ban on pit bulls will ever happen, so maybe we can compromise. Sterilization of the pit bull owners should be mandatory.

Along with sterilization of annoying thread-crappers.. :)
 

mugs

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Hold the owner responsible for anything the dog does, as if the owner did it himself. Since it's the owner who makes the dog attack people, I see no reason why they shouldn't go to jail when their dogs hurt people.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: evident
man, it's so true. the lady was also vietnamese too- could have been my grandmom! put that asshole down. i think the problem with pitbulls is that the owners dont give them enough training
The problem with Pit Bulls is that they have a genetic disposition to fighting; they were built for it, and it's hard wired.

All it takes is something to set them off and go into instinct mode.

Bingo,
you can't argue with statistics. If more than 50% of all car accidents are happen with the same car model, would you still be blaming the drivers?

I say restrict them like exotic animals (big cats, bears etc. )
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: CKent
We can't be a free nation if a breed of dog is banned, but we can increase punishment for negligent owners.
Oh god forbid we should make any human accountable for their actions or their kids or their pets these days.
 

NetGuySC

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I work in animal control and the worst bites I see are from Pit Bulls. my three worst bite cases

1. 11 year old got her nose literally bitten off by pit bull, parents had to beat the dog off the girls face, the dog then latched onto her arm. This dog was raised in the home, he was laying on floor, the little girls error was stopping to pet the dog. When I arrived on the scene there was blood spatter on the walls

2. 9 year old girl, went outside to fed the family pit bull. Severe facial injuries and three days in the hospital.

3. Boy of unknown age in yard, stray pit bull entered yard and bit leg, crushing the bone.

The difference between a pit bull bite and most any other breed of dog bite, is that pit bulls maul, latch on, chews, inflicts allot of damage. In most other breeds of dogs, a bite results in several puncture wounds.

I have heard all the excuses about pit bulls, bad owners, lack of training etc, the dogs are just bad. Pit bulls and pit bull mixes should all be banned or at the bare minimum the owners should be required to carry at least $250,000 in liability insurance.

 

DomS

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Dalmations are actually the most vicious breed of dog. They account for the greatest % of maulings. But you never hear this
 

NetGuySC

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Originally posted by: DomS
Dalmations are actually the most vicious breed of dog. They account for the greatest % of maulings. But you never hear this

Where are these statistics?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Those sound like fight dogs. Here comes the ignorant pitbull hate-train.

Perhaps you could retort with the redeeming features of these asshole dogs?

They were some of the most popular dogs in the US during the turn of the century and a bit later until smaller breeds became popular with city dwellers.

They didn't have much incidents back then.

As a whole the terrier breed is fairly aggressive, it's a trait the group has been bred for...

All terriers require a lot of socialization and proper training to curb this aggression and to be able to stop on command.

Almost all the of dogs I have seen maul some kid, there has been a back story of the dog being taught to be aggressive.

You can't have both a guard dog and a pet in the same animal safely. You can't expect to fight your dog on the weekends and then it to be OK around people and other animals.

 
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.

Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET! :confused:
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.

As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.

The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.

People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.

If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: moshquerade
That's a copout and you know it.

Not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor. FFS, there are medical journals online, but we don't want to take any of that information as logical or conclusive based on scientific studies BECAUSE WE CAN ACCESS IT ON THE INTERNET! :confused:
Scientific principles and medical procedures are generally antiseptic discussions. The measurement methods of dog intelligence and the rankings you refer to are highly controversial, first of all. Then there's the emotionally charged aspect of the discussion whenever pit bulls are brought up. So we aren't talking about medical journals here. While not everything on the internet is innuendo and rumor the vast amount of it is certainly up for debate and pointing to a single finding that ranks intelligence by breed certainly does not settle that debate.

As an example, look at the #1 ranked dog, the Border Collie. They require a lot of time investment and attention. If not they tend to get anxious and bored. It's advised not to leave them alone for extended periods or they will tear things up. I'm not sure that argues for intelligence. In fact, it seems to argue against it. All of my pits have been house dogs and, once past the puppy stage, none of them have ever torn things up while left alone for extended periods.

The pit I have now will position herself in the loft, looking out the window and patiently wait for my wife and I to come home. When she sees the car pull in she'll stand up and start wagging her tail. When we get out of the car she'll give us a huge smile. In fact, she smiles at anyone that comes over. Some people are a bit intimidated by it until I explain what she's doing. Once they realize she IS smiling, they can't get over it. It's the funniest damn thing you'll ever see a dog do. I can also simply tell my dog that someone is coming over in a little while. She'll go back up to loft and watch for that person to arrive. If I don't tell her someone is coming over and I hear them arive, I simply have to say "Who's here?" to her. She goes right to the front door and begins looking. She also has the ability to count to at least two. She has two rubber balls at all times that she chews on. She'll leave them scattered around the house. I can pick one up and ask her where the other one is. She'll immediately begin searching for it. I never had to train her to do any of those things. She just began doing them. She does all the mundane sit, lay down, and speak stuff as well, which I did train her to do.

People can whine and cry all they want about how dangerous pits are and call to ban them. In some ways it's very similar to the gun issue. Well, to answer that...They can pry my pits from my cold, dead hands.

If people want to regulate the ownership of pits, I have no problems with that whatsoever. In fact, I'd completely prefer to kep pit bulls out of the hands of idiots, and the morons who use them as nothing more than penis extensions. Great dogs like pits don't deserve dumbass owners.


your pit sounds alot like my sisters, unless of course you are my sister >.< :p
but yea she has 2, one of them doesnt even bark at other dogs who are going nuts barking at him