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JManInPhoenix

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People like you are part of the problem when you blame the people who get mauled for 'approaching' the dog. If you own a pet that can't be trusted around people in routine circumstances like that then the dog should be put down and you put into jail. No fucking excuses - when was the last time you heard about a chihuahua or a cat mauling some toddler just because the kid 'approached' them?

I stand by what I said. I blame any adult that will allow a toddler to get near a strange dog, not the toddler. An adult that allows a mauling deserves to be fully punished to fullest extent of the law. That would include a case where a dog owner was not keeping track of his or her dog and it bit a passing jogger for example. So yes, dog owners are fully 100% accountable for the actions of their dogs.

An exception would be if the dog was in a fully enclosed area and incapable of getting out by its own means AND the owner ensured that any fences, walls, doors, gates, windows would not allow egress for the dog AND someone willfully jumped the wall, broke the window, broke down the door and then got mauled/bit, the fault is with the person that illegally entered.

If my dog gets loose and bites someone, that is my fault. If someone breaks into my house in my absence and gets bit, that is their fault.
 
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JManInPhoenix

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It is the dog's owner and the woman's fault. To kill something off because its aggressive when its an animal is not the fault of the animal. Guard dogs are not toy puddles or lovable beagles. They have instincts that make them to the kind of dogs they are and you have to use certain precautions with them. Period. There is a reason the zoo tells you not to feed the zoo animals. I feel bad for this little girl and everyone involved, but the adults in this situation were careless.

+1
 

Darwin333

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You're a fucking retard and that is the ignorance that gets children hurt. Yes, you should train ALL dogs to be good with kids. Some need it more than others.

The only reason you hear about pit bulls so much is because of the stereotypical bullshit surrendering them. I've known way more little ass ankle biters that are way more fucking aggressive then pits, but who cares about them. They won't likely make the news.

But you just go ahead and be a dumbass for the rest of your life. Or grow a fucking brain and quit drinking the kool-aid.

The reason you hear so much about pitbulls is because they DO generally cause the most damage and the most deaths. That is simply a fact. Does that mean they are the most aggressive dog or animal in general? No it doesn't. They DO however have the ability to cause a hellofa lot more damage than an ankle biter even if said ankle biter is 10 times as aggressive.

Why would "absurdly aggressive Yorkshire terrier bites baby on the toe and made it cry" be newsworthy?
 

JulesMaximus

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but but, pitbulls are so nice.

I hope the dog was put to sleep.

:thumbsup: This.

I bet that kid grows up fearing dogs for a long long time.

Kudos to the Mom. I would do whatever it takes to stop an attack on my son, including kill.
 

Zebo

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Anybody thinking it's the breed is a fucking idiot and you should be put down.

Any dog if not trained or if trained improperly (which in a lot cases would be pit bulls, mm wonder why lets see if any you fucking geniuses can figure that one out) will be more prone to attack.


Right...
"In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans and accounted for 62% of the total recorded deaths"


2013 fatal dog attacks by breed
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http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php
 
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Zebo

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You're a fucking retard and that is the ignorance that gets children hurt. Yes, you should train ALL dogs to be good with kids. Some need it more than others.

The only reason you hear about pit bulls so much is because of the stereotypical bullshit surrendering them. I've known way more little ass ankle biters that are way more fucking aggressive then pits, but who cares about them. They won't likely make the news.

But you just go ahead and be a dumbass for the rest of your life. Or grow a fucking brain and quit drinking the kool-aid.



Nice you sound like a degenerate loser who would own one. Hope yours doesnt kill anyone.
 

rpsgc

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Owners of pit bulls (and any other dangerous breed) that attack/kill people should be put in jail. Period.

No ifs and buts. No excuses.
 

Matt1970

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You're a fucking retard and that is the ignorance that gets children hurt. Yes, you should train ALL dogs to be good with kids. Some need it more than others.

The only reason you hear about pit bulls so much is because of the stereotypical bullshit surrendering them. I've known way more little ass ankle biters that are way more fucking aggressive then pits, but who cares about them. They won't likely make the news.

But you just go ahead and be a dumbass for the rest of your life. Or grow a fucking brain and quit drinking the kool-aid.

Retardation and ignorance are two different things dumbass. There is a reason why they are the Pit Bull is by far the #1 killer in America year after year. People with intelligence look at statistics and not just blame on stereotypical bullshit.

38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.2 Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities,3 pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.4

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php

32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php

I could go on and on. There is plenty of data to educate yourself on this breed.
 

Paratus

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Breed is *by far* the strongest predictor of human attacks for a given random dog. We're talking like 2 orders of magnitude.

If 60% of car accidents involve a Pontiac Aztec, the fact you haven't had an accident in your Aztec has no bearing on the data on hand.

People like you are part of the problem when you blame the people who get mauled for 'approaching' the dog. If you own a pet that can't be trusted around people in routine circumstances like that then the dog should be put down and you put into jail. No fucking excuses - when was the last time you heard about a chihuahua or a cat mauling some toddler just because the kid 'approached' them?

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I knew it!
 

Matt1970

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T9D

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You're a fucking retard and that is the ignorance that gets children hurt. Yes, you should train ALL dogs to be good with kids. Some need it more than others.

The only reason you hear about pit bulls so much is because of the stereotypical bullshit surrendering them. I've known way more little ass ankle biters that are way more fucking aggressive then pits, but who cares about them. They won't likely make the news.

But you just go ahead and be a dumbass for the rest of your life. Or grow a fucking brain and quit drinking the kool-aid.

Let's say even pitbulls attacked LESS. They are still so huge and powerful and dangerous when they do go bad that they do more damage and more death than other breeds. So either way it's stupid to own them and irresponsible. And that's the point, all animals can snap no matter how nice you think they are. At the very least you should be taking that into consideration. And I've seen pitbulls snap at what seemed to be nothing. Ones that were around kids and seemed nice enough. It's scary as hell.
 
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What the ASPCA has to say is interesting

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/truth-about-pit-bulls

Are Pit Bulls Dangerous to People?

Despite the fact that pit bulls were bred to fight with each other, early breeders took pride in producing dogs that were trustworthy and friendly to people. Handlers bathed their opponent’s dog before a match, stood in the pits with the battling dogs and often pulled them apart to end a fight. Any dog who behaved aggressively toward a person was culled, or killed, to avoid passing on such an undesirable trait. Pit bulls typically lived in their owner’s homes, where they earned the nickname “nursemaid’s dog” because they were so reliable with young children. In fact, “Pete the Pup,” the children’s friend from the old TV series “Our Gang,” was a pit bull."

Why the Bad Rap?

"Sadly, the pit bull has acquired a reputation as an unpredictable and dangerous menace. His intimidating appearance has made him attractive to people looking for a macho status symbol, and this popularity has encouraged unscrupulous breeders to produce puppies without maintaining the pit bull’s typical good nature with people. To make matters worse, irresponsible owners interested in presenting a tough image often encourage their pit bulls to behave aggressively. If a pit bull does bite, he’s far more likely to inflict serious injuries than most other breeds, simply because of his size and strength. A pit bull bite is also far more likely to draw media attention. Many dogs of other breeds bite people, but these incidents almost always go unreported. They’re just not exciting enough fodder for television and print."

Summing It All Up

Pit bulls aren’t all bad. They’re not ferocious beasts to be feared and reviled. Pit bulls aren’t all good either. They have teeth and the potential to use them, just like any other dog. Their powerful bodies and persistent nature make them formidable animals. As such, they should be treated with care and respect. They require a great deal of exercise, proper training and responsible management. But if you’re willing to devote the time and effort necessary, befriending a pit bull can be immensely rewarding. Along with their strength and spirit comes an inspiring zest for life and an ardent affinity for people. As any committed pit bull parent will tell you, beneath the brawn, most are faithful, fun-loving, affectionate companions. So before you make up your mind about them, get to know a few pit bulls. You may be surprised.
 

Harrod

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I have a sister who her and her husband brought their dog that they were taking care of, to my parents house on Easter Sunday.

I was sitting in my parents living room when I here screaming coming from the kitchen, I run in there assuming the worst thinking it has one of the kids, to see this dog(who of-course has never done this before) latched onto my parents dog and will not let go. My brothers wife gets her kids out of the room and then we did everything we could to get it to let go, there was blood everywhere. We finally get it to release, I really wish that there was a gun nearby to shoot it in the head and get it over with, this is one of the most terrifying situations I've ever been in. My sister and her husband were so upset over the incident that they left.

Later I called them and told them that they are being pretty foolish for keeping a dog that is 8 years old without any kind of history, they said that they planned on keeping the dog, I also told them that most people will sue you if you dog viciously attacks there dog. They are acting like jackasses, it's people with this mentality that really scares me. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, I guess someone elses dog isn't enough, I guess they are waiting for it to hurt a human.

Looking back I wish I had just grabbed a knife and slit its throat, how awesome of a story would that be to tell people at the office the next day?
 

mizzou

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its somehow a right to negligently raise children, yet we criminalize negligently raised animals and punish the animal worse of all. the victim also carries a heavy burden.

pits are a needy bunch, its a shame they are so popular and raised overwhelmingly so poorly
 

mizzou

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I have a sister who her and her husband brought their dog that they were taking care of, to my parents house on Easter Sunday.

I was sitting in my parents living room when I here screaming coming from the kitchen, I run in there assuming the worst thinking it has one of the kids, to see this dog(who of-course has never done this before) latched onto my parents dog and will not let go. My brothers wife gets her kids out of the room and then we did everything we could to get it to let go, there was blood everywhere. We finally get it to release, I really wish that there was a gun nearby to shoot it in the head and get it over with, this is one of the most terrifying situations I've ever been in. My sister and her husband were so upset over the incident that they left.

Later I called them and told them that they are being pretty foolish for keeping a dog that is 8 years old without any kind of history, they said that they planned on keeping the dog, I also told them that most people will sue you if you dog viciously attacks there dog. They are acting like jackasses, it's people with this mentality that really scares me. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, I guess someone elses dog isn't enough, I guess they are waiting for it to hurt a human.

Looking back I wish I had just grabbed a knife and slit its throat, how awesome of a story would that be to tell people at the office the next day?

my family had a "lap dog" pit that absolutely hated me for some reason. something wasnt right with him, matter how many times he warmed up to me...when i revisit its like i was a complete stranger all over again.

he finally was put down after he attacked someone for the last time.

I always knew he was going to be trouble, but his owners ignored it and said i was overreacting
 

zanejohnson

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I have a sister who her and her husband brought their dog that they were taking care of, to my parents house on Easter Sunday.

I was sitting in my parents living room when I here screaming coming from the kitchen, I run in there assuming the worst thinking it has one of the kids, to see this dog(who of-course has never done this before) latched onto my parents dog and will not let go. My brothers wife gets her kids out of the room and then we did everything we could to get it to let go, there was blood everywhere. We finally get it to release, I really wish that there was a gun nearby to shoot it in the head and get it over with, this is one of the most terrifying situations I've ever been in. My sister and her husband were so upset over the incident that they left.

Later I called them and told them that they are being pretty foolish for keeping a dog that is 8 years old without any kind of history, they said that they planned on keeping the dog, I also told them that most people will sue you if you dog viciously attacks there dog. They are acting like jackasses, it's people with this mentality that really scares me. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, I guess someone elses dog isn't enough, I guess they are waiting for it to hurt a human.

Looking back I wish I had just grabbed a knife and slit its throat, how awesome of a story would that be to tell people at the office the next day?



man that's horrid, god it makes me mad when i see people being so completely irresponsible, and that fucking famous line "oh he's never done anything like that!" it's a beast, it's a fucking animal, it's unpredictable.. so it's basically, you gonna put your kids around a 80lb chunk of unpredictable muscle with instincts to latch on to your childs neck and not let go!!!

i dont need anyone who thinks like that anywhere near me.
 

angelina87

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..with her teeth!

Check out the Thatchers on this betty! http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/24/dnt-tx-mom-bites-pit-bull.khou.html

A person brought this to my attention earlier, I just had to share (and didn't see it anywhere but I've missed threads before).

I'm not expressing surprise at a mother coming to defend her child at all, but generally people grab something blunt, or pointy, or shooty, you get the idea. Woman is a badass, I guess part of me is shocked someone so attractive would stick their face so close to the business end of dog during an attack. She could have lost her face, or even her life if the dog had released and quickly latched onto her throat. Damn. Let's hear it for utter ferocity! I want to buy her a house.

there are no restrictions in the USA concerning keeping agressive and combative dogs at home. Such a pity
 

JManInPhoenix

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I have a sister who her and her husband brought their dog that they were taking care of, to my parents house on Easter Sunday.

I was sitting in my parents living room when I here screaming coming from the kitchen, I run in there assuming the worst thinking it has one of the kids, to see this dog(who of-course has never done this before) latched onto my parents dog and will not let go. My brothers wife gets her kids out of the room and then we did everything we could to get it to let go, there was blood everywhere. We finally get it to release, I really wish that there was a gun nearby to shoot it in the head and get it over with, this is one of the most terrifying situations I've ever been in. My sister and her husband were so upset over the incident that they left.

Later I called them and told them that they are being pretty foolish for keeping a dog that is 8 years old without any kind of history, they said that they planned on keeping the dog, I also told them that most people will sue you if you dog viciously attacks there dog. They are acting like jackasses, it's people with this mentality that really scares me. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, I guess someone elses dog isn't enough, I guess they are waiting for it to hurt a human.

Looking back I wish I had just grabbed a knife and slit its throat, how awesome of a story would that be to tell people at the office the next day?

Gruesome story. I am a dog lover but would not hesitate to shoot a dog that was latched onto a person or other animal and would not let go.
 

realibrad

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The paper you used said this BTW

"The denominator of dog breed-specific human DBRF rate requires reliable breed-specific population data. Unfortunately, such data are not currently available."

So if the data is not there, how can they draw any conclusions?

Maybe they took the available data and looked at it over years to help smooth it out?

"Despite these limitations and concerns, the data indicate that rottwellers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998."

Wow, 1 whole year! So there was limited and missing data over 1 year, and that proves that they are the problem.
 
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