Pistol-Packing Soccer Mom Sues Sheriff

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imported_inspire

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Yeah, there's a stable individual alright...

Guess I was right after all! :p

No, until we know who fired and why, you're not right - and neither are the rest of you cheerleaders. Nice try though.
 

Phokus

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Still not as bad as the story about that kid who shot himself in the face at a gun show, but holy shit.
 

phoenix79

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Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.
 
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Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?
 

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

Thanks, professor. What are your qualifications?
 

JDub02

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?

sure they do. i carry almost everywhere. i just don't have it out in the open on my hip.

how am i supposed to defend my kids and myself from the lunatic that wants to harm them at soccer practice?
 

phoenix79

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?


Have you seen the statistics on carry permit issuances and handgun sales in the last 2-3 years? They have skyrocketed. I'd lay money that people carrying a gun to their kid's soccer game is something that happens regularly.
 

sourceninja

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All of my clothing is sized for carrying a gun. My pants don't fit right without a pistol.
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: PepePeru
You know, in my younger, more foolish days, I used to think, why would anyone need a gun at a 5 yr old's soccer game?

but now i'm older and more mature and I REALIZE that those 5 yr old's soccer games are nothing but death traps.

seriously. after you've seen what i've seen at a 5 yr old's soccer game, you'd be packing heat too.

i work at kid soccer events. so...yeah, pretty much.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Doesn't sound like either of them were too stable IMO.
 

JDub02

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Originally posted by: sourceninja
All of my clothing is sized for carrying a gun. My pants don't fit right without a pistol.

unfortunately, my wife's cooking has taken up any slack that i had. :(
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?

I pretty much stated the same thing last year when this thread was created. Prepare for the gun nuts to come out and tell you about all the attacks that happen at children's soccer games throughout the country on a weekly basis.
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?

Aye, definitely all of this.

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: CPA
I'm having a hard time understanding this. What judgement is needed? She carried legally. Maybe the parents who freaked out about it should have used better judgement.

Carrying a handgun to a kid's soccer practice is not exercising terribly great judgment.

Support for this position? Evidence?

In the past decade, we have become inundated with stories of school shootings (Columbine, Westboro, Thurston High, Virginia Tech, dozens of others), to the point that parents have become hyper-cautious whenever guns are going to be in the vicinity of children. It's a heightened state of awareness. Is it right? No, not necessarily. But there are times where you don't exercise your constitutional right just because you can. That's called being a decent human being. Wearing an open-carry handgun at a kid's soccer game is ludicrous, whether it's legal or not.

And given how things turned out in this case, it looks like the sheriff may have been clairvoyant.

Again, support? Evidence? How do you know that this didn't happen BECAUSE of the negative impacts of what she went through? If the actions of the Sheriff, which led to media attention, CAUSED a chain of events which led to this end...what then?

This is the problem that gun supporters face. Every now and then, a gun supporter ends up involved in a crime where innocent people die. This rallies people around anti-gun laws. When anti-gun nuts freak out, no one gets shot to death. I'm not anti-gun; I believe people should be allowed to legally own firearms for a variety of reasons. But I am very strongly anti-idiot; I believe we need some pretty strict licensing requirements to own a firearm. Taking a handgun to a kid's soccer game? That's fucking idiotic. And that idiot should never have been allowed a gun to begin with.

 
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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: phoenix79
Its being reported that the kids ran out of the house screaming "daddy shot mommy" so it sounds like she wasn't the only nutjob in the house, it was her husband, the parole officer.

Fixed that for you. Emotionally stable people don't bring their handgun to the kid's soccer practice.

-EDIT- And I'm not saying she deserved to die, cause she didn't. But what kind of an ass do you have to be to pack heat to your kid's soccer practice?

Evidence? Support for this position?

What you've done here is project your own ignorance and fear onto the situation to create a 'them' that you're capable of internally discrediting in order to reinforce your own emotions and/or political positions. It's no different than inventing the red scare, or homophobia, or any other reactionary position to differences in opinion.
 
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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Evidence? Support for this position?

What you've done here is project your own ignorance and fear onto the situation to create a 'them' that you're capable of internally discrediting in order to reinforce your own emotions and/or political positions. It's no different than inventing the red scare, or homophobia, or any other reactionary position to differences in opinion.

My support for this position? She was featured on the local news. Apparently they found it strange enough that she would open carry at a kids' soccer game that they felt it warranted air time. Less than a year later, she's dead from a homicide committed with a gun. It's a coincidence, but it's also pretty ironic.

I don't have a fear of guns. Ignorance, absolutely (I don't personally own a firearm, nor have I fired one). I don't care if people have concealed carry handguns; that's legal, and I firmly believe it should be (it's rare that the people legally carrying guns are the people using them to commit crimes). However, I think there are limits that any reasonable person should expect. I don't think it is reasonable for a person to attend a children's sporting event armed with a handgun. Here's my rationale:

People are irrational when it comes to their own children. I don't have kids of my own, but I've seen it with the sons and daughters of relatives. People will act to assure their own child's safety and success above all others, agreed? Now, we already have examples in this thread of people becoming irrational, getting agitated, even getting into fights at these events. I believe that wearing a clearly visible sidearm simply adds to a volatile mix that may end up in an irrational act of violence. You don't wear a sidearm to let other people know that you trust them; rather, you do it because you want them to know you don't trust them and are prepared to shoot them if they act up. I think this is a dangerous attitude to wear to an event where people already exhibit heightened states of irrationality because their children are there.

I also believe that images in the news of many, many school shootings in the past decade have made parents more sensitive to the very real possibility of their child becoming the victim of gun violence. I believe that same sensibility, sensationalized by the media, is going to cause an increase in irrational panic among parents when exposed to a firearm in the presence of their children. I believe that is the reason why the woman bringing a gun to the soccer game was on the news to begin with; other parents fearing for their own children's safety.

That's a volatile combination. Irrational people picturing their own child harmed by a gun will react more strongly to seeing one at an event where their children are. That's going to create heightened tension, which is only going to increase the chance of irrational violence breaking out, which is just going to see a greater likelihood that the gun is actually drawn. If everyone in society were completely rational, I still wouldn't think it was a good idea to wear a gun to a kids' sporting event, but given the inherent irrationality parents go to in their attempts to protect their children, it is illogical and potentially incendiary to strap on a firearm for your child's soccer practice. There are laws prohibiting guns in schools, courthouses and federal buildings... maybe children's soccer practice should be added to the list.

As for my political position? Guns should be legal, concealed carry should be legal, open carry should be legal, but we should have strict licensing tests to prevent guns ending up in the hands of irresponsible or batshit crazy people. I don't care if my neighbor has a fully automatic MP5 with a silencer, laser sight and night vision scope; I just want him to exercise some common sense in where he chooses to carry it.

I wonder, did this woman check with the other parents before she wore her gun to the game? If she had done that and they had agreed, then I have no problem with it; that's their right as parents. But it doesn't sound like she did that. She just showed up and expected everyone to be OK with it. I think that's acting a bit douchey towards the other parents who may, for whatever reason, not want their children exposed to handguns in the park.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: SN4p
Originally posted by: calvinbiss
Originally posted by: Lamont Burns
Not really enough detail regarding the end of the second bolded portion. Lady carries a concealed weapon to a kid's soccer game that everyone apparently can clearly see?

I am with this. If the permit is for a concealed weapon and she carried it openly, then should abused her right and the permit should be taken away.

I don't know the law in Penn, but if there is no open carry statue, then she is in the wrong.

Open carry is legal in PA. She did nothing wrong. I hate pussies.

I'm more worried about the rest of the (fucking idiot) soccer moms driving big SUVs and talking on cell phones... l2drive please.
Yeah just in case anyone has forgotten: Cars kill MANY more people than guns each year.
If saving lives is your argument then you need to focus on motor vehicles first.


Also, as someone who supports the right to carry I must say its generally better to not tell anyone you have it and damn sure never show it.
People get all bent out of shape when they know you have a gun.
 

EricMartello

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Stupid bitch. She already got the permit back, why sue? Dumbass redneck.

Why sue? She felt her rights were being violated and quite frankly I would agree. She's no criminal, and merely carrying a weapon is not illegal if you have a license for it. As a matter of fact, I don't even believe you should need a license to carry a gun around. Bullshit. The fact that you need a license makes carrying a gun a PRIVILEDGE when in fact it is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT! And who is it helping to force law-abiding citizens to require licensing for carrying a gun for personal protection? How many gang bangers do you know who have a license for their stolen guns?

I am very opposed to gun control legislation because it DOES NOTHING to reduce criminal uses of guns, it only hampers people who want to protect themselves...I was very happy when DC was forced to lift its unconstitutional ban on guns in the city. A small victory in the fight against anti-gun bullshit.

Simple fact of the matter is, if police don't come to rescue you and prevent a crime. They come on the scene afterwards and attempt to "serve justice". Investing in a gun and learning how to use it is properly, as well as following safe practices (i.e. making sure kids can't get to it) is the best thing you can do for your own personal security.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Stupid bitch. She already got the permit back, why sue? Dumbass redneck.

Why sue? She felt her rights were being violated and quite frankly I would agree. She's no criminal, and merely carrying a weapon is not illegal if you have a license for it. As a matter of fact, I don't even believe you should need a license to carry a gun around. Bullshit. The fact that you need a license makes carrying a gun a PRIVILEDGE when in fact it is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT! And who is it helping to force law-abiding citizens to require licensing for carrying a gun for personal protection? How many gang bangers do you know who have a license for their stolen guns?

I am very opposed to gun control legislation because it DOES NOTHING to reduce criminal uses of guns, it only hampers people who want to protect themselves...I was very happy when DC was forced to lift its unconstitutional ban on guns in the city. A small victory in the fight against anti-gun bullshit.

Simple fact of the matter is, if police don't come to rescue you and prevent a crime. They come on the scene afterwards and attempt to "serve justice". Investing in a gun and learning how to use it is properly, as well as following safe practices (i.e. making sure kids can't get to it) is the best thing you can do for your own personal security.

It's a moot point now. Ironically, her law-abiding, gun-owning husband shot and killed her recently and then offed himself.