Piracy

urbantechie

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Hmm...99.99 percent of the CDs of OSes etc we use at work for computers is burnt we rarely ever open OEM packages..we just throw them into the box for the customer. All my programs etc are burnt. I only buy what I think is worth it. Oh yea..I work @ **************** :p
 

Impact55

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**My thoughts on American Piracy**

Piracy is good and bad... Piracy from the game standpoint is bad, simply because it raises game prices for those that pay, and many times it cheats those out that pay for it ( stolen cd-keys), however in the future pirating a game and playing online will become harder when companies spend more money on protection (IE Blizzard) , it's still bad for large applications such as Photoshop and Dreamweaver, but I can sure as hell bet you that we wouldn't have as many talented artists and web artists if they haven't had practiced on their home computers with their pirated versions, because they could not afford the outrageous prices of Business suite APPS.
 

GammaRayX

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Piracy as it stands, does much more harm than good.

Software piracy raises prices on programs & games for those people who buy legitimate programs.

And the effects of piracy. Look no further than Hong Kong. Hong Kong used to have a decent movie industry (not like the current sorry state it is now). But nobody watches movies in theathers anymore, because the residents figure they can get 2-3 pirated VCDs for the same price as a movie ticket. No movie sales, and no money from legititimate video sales = no money back to industry. And no money = fewer films and lower quality films.

CNN recently reported that HK officials finnaly cracked down on pirates. (Jackie Chan is among the protesters demanding HK gov take action)
 

Viper GTS

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urbantechie...

That's not piracy. The individual discs are identical as far as data content, so as long as you use a unique serial number for every installation (eg the one you can read right through the OEM packaging) you're perfectly legit. Most places do it like that, & deliver an unopened OS CD to the customer.

Viper GTS
 

Demon-Xanth

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Well, my problem is that pirates rape and pillage things....


...they rape and pillage _THINGS_. Do you want to have your mailbox raped? I don't think so.
 

kru

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A seaman meets a pirate in a bar, and talk turns to their adventures on the sea. The seaman notes that the pirate has a peg-leg, an hook, and an eye patch.

The seaman asks "So, how did you end up with the peg-leg?"

The pirate replies "We were in a storm at sea, and I was swept overboard into a school of sharks. Just as my men were pulling me out, a shark bit my leg off."

"Wow!" said the seaman. "What about your hook"?

"Well...", replied the pirate, "We were boarding an enemy ship and were battling the other sailors with swords. One of the enemy cut my hand off."

"Incredible!" remarked the seaman. "How did you get the eyepatch"?

"A seagull dropping fell into my eye.", replied the pirate.

"You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?" the sailor asked increduously.

"Well...", said the pirate, "..it was my first day with the hook."
 

Czar

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Piracy is bad.
But so is overpricing the software, that leads to piracy, but somehow the big companys just dont get that, like Microsoft, how many here would buy Windows2000 if it would kost like $50, I´d say about 80-90% of you, but on the current price I think about 10-20%.
 

Zucchini

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Well overpricing does not justify stealing. People steal software and music because its so easy and so hard to get caught. Using the same line of thinking you could justify shoplifting, except for the high risk of actually getting punished. Its the same rationale that shoplifters use to justify their actions.

Of course our country seems to love napster, christian nation eh?
 

3615buck

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It's funny how all people pirating software try to justify themselves by saying that editors are thieves too because they sell their products much too expensive... :)

I'm not attacking anybody, I also have "a few" copied CDs :(

But I think that even if software were cheaper, people would go on copying them.
Why would you pay $50 for W2K if you can get it for free ?
 

Czar

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Overpricing does not justify piracy, true. But piracy does not justify overpricing. It goes both ways. The main problem is that it would take millions of people to change their ways to stop piracy, but it would only take few thousand companys to charge less for their products to stop piracy. To bad the companies dont care right now because they make so much money from a single sell.

What is worst is that companies think that one piracy copy means one sell lost, most people who piracy dont even use the software and would certanly not pay for it no matter how cheap it would be.
 

Gorgonzola

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the developers want you to believe that piracy causes high software prices, but anyone with half a brain will know that this is bullsh!t. the developers try to tell you that everyone who owns pirated software would have bought a genuine copy if they did not have easy/cheap access to a pirated version. this is totally false. for example, say one of my mates wants a copy of photoshop, they are by no means interested in graphics work or even half talented, but they'd just like to have a fiddle with it. if i refused to copy it for them, there is absolutely no chance of them going out and wasting $1,000 on something they will probably use for a week and then get sick of. for some reason the developers would count this as lost revenue if i copied it, even though there was not even a 1% chance that my mate would buy a genuine copy. the damage that piracy does to the software industry is a tiny fraction of what the developers would like you to believe.
 

Gorgonzola

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3615buck, im not trying to justify my actions by saying what i said, im just pointing out that the situation is much different to what the developers will tell the media, and therefore the story that the general (and often uninformed) public will believe.

btw, im not entirely sure myself if that last sentence made sense, but i know what i meant :)
 

radiocore

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IMO
I think that pirating the music industry is fine...you want to know why? they've ripped us off for years and I'm sick of it. Go Napster! Screw the record companies...they owe us!! :|

As for software, well...i think that the creators and programmers usually do a damn fine job and deserve to get paid and such, so i will usually buy a game or software if i believe that it is a keeper and if the price is reasonable. :p
 

kami

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I really don't know ANYONE who pays for all of their software. And Music? you gotta be kidding me.
 

Demon-Xanth

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I usually buy most of my software as it's older and through OEM channels (Usually with a $5 486 motherboard). But all of my software I have licenses for (although I gave up on registering mirc after thier registration site was broken 3 times straight).

As for music, I have about 60% of my MP3s from my CDs, the other 40% is from CDs that reletives own (meaning I could get a tape of the CDs if I felt like it)

Only MP3s I DLed are from www.offspring.com, so I'm guessing that they are legal :)
 

urbantechie

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<< That's not piracy. The individual discs are identical as far as data content, so as long as you use a unique serial number for every installation (eg the one you can read right through the OEM packaging) you're perfectly legit. Most places do it like that, &amp; deliver an unopened OS CD to the customer. >>



Oh ok. Hmm..I went over to Comlogic (for those in San Diego) and they do they same. I guees it's all the Vietnamese stores that are doing it :D
 

Pretender

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When it costs $1000+ to buy Visual Studio, and many people who want to try to program aren't millionaires, there aren't many other options. Same goes for other 'business' programs, such graphic design programs. It seems almost as though they want to discourage people from being able to start in a high-tech field.

The question is, if these high-end 'business' apps costed around $50-100, rather then hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands, would the makers get more money? If you think about it, while they would lose money from the people who do buy the programs legit, they'd probably be gaining an enormous amount of new customers, because, IMHO, people who pirate these programs don't feel as bad as if they pirated a $30 game, because they never even had a realistic chance of buying the program, whereas in the case of the game they could easily afford it.


Just my 2 cents which microsoft won't be getting.