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piracy and ur opinions

brownboi512

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doin research on piracy and copyright infringement for senior research paper and i wanted the opinions of the internet community

how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?
how can people be justified by downloading music?
how do users justify online sharing of media?
any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?
any info on piracy or how u feel about the issue is appreciated. just wanted to know some other viewpoints on the issue.

thanks
 
how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?
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Same as I feel about drug patents. For great ideas and works of art to flourish the creators need control of their works distribution and pricing for a period of time.

how can people be justified by downloading music?
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They don't think they'll be caught for stealing.. risk/reward equation is in their favor.

how do users justify online sharing of media?
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They don't think they'll be caught for stealing.. risk/reward equation is in their favor.


any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?
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Shoot a few of them would stop it. But less extreme would be mass arrests and fines and maybe a couple years in jail. Now the arrest numbers are too low so again risk/reward equation is in their favor so they continue to steal.



 
I agree with Zebo on piracy.

On the other side of the equation we need to correct runaway copyright extension. The arts/entertainment arena has moved from a creative/production economy to a stagnant rent-based economy where old works are forever remilked, squeezing out new ideas. Shortening the copyright period to something more reasonable would help. I would like to see copyrights of life or seventy years whichever is longer and no copyrights granted to corporations. Right now it is:

70 years after death of author, or if work of corporate authorship, the shorter of 95 years from publication, or 120 years from creation.

From: http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm

 
I agree time is waaaayy to long. I'd go shorter than that// all the way back to 1776 laws. I think it was 7+7 years after publication. but I'm not sure how it would stop violations as 99% of stuff pirated is newer than that.
 
Your questions could be improved but I'll do my best....

1 - I don't have a problem with companies going after those who participate in piracy. My only problem with the RIAA is that the way the go about doing so is very ineffective and unfair.

2 - What do you mean by justified? I am pretty sure some people feel justified however, there are many who are not.

3 - There are plently of legitimate uses of programs like Bittorrent and other p2p programs.
 
I have a huge problem with the way the RIAA and MPAA go about suing people for copyright infringement. The way they do it should be illegal, as you have no way to defend yourself until you are actually sued. You can't participate in the court proceedings that the record companies use to get your names from ISPs.
 
If the only reason that artist paints, and the singer sings, and the sculpter sculpts, is for financial gain, then i would be seriously doubting in the quality of their work. I think the focus on the finances has taken a lot out of the heart of modern arts, particularly music. It prevents people for going outside the established norms. Can you see there being a Picasso today? A new Beatles, or Stones, or Led Zeppelin? A new Hemingway? If piracy helps to break the status quo, then I'm all for it. The greatest front in art today is something that is not financially compensated, its your U-Tubers and the like. Some of the coolest stuff I've seen and heard is by people who did something because they had an idea, and never will see any compensation for it, and would never expect it.
 
I refuse to pay 14 bucks for a CD, when nine dollars goes to the label, 4.50 to the distributor, and the artist gets 50 cents or less. I will start buying music again when I can be assured that ALL my money goes straight to the person who deserves it (the artist). As it stands, I refuse to support the current corporate climate that enslaves artists and gets rich doing it.
 
how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?

Counterproductive. Those who pirate are those who are interested; they're targeting a group who should instead be catered to, their potential customers.

Extortion and abuse of the legal system. They use the threat of excessively punitive damages along with their well funded legal teams which cannot be matched by the other side to force those sued into accepting a settlement. Thus no case ever goes to trial, they never actually have to make their case in a court of law, and they rack up a tidy sum too.

how can people be justified by downloading music?

They're making a copy of a digital file, and the copying process does not deprive the owner of the original. Therefore, it is not theft in the traditional sense, but copyright infringement.

As ironwing says, the copyright laws have been so twisted by corporate interests, the public's rights have been squeezed out of the law, and because of corporate lobbying copyright will never be reformed, or never be reformed in a way that suits the interests of the public rather than copyright holders. Witness the DMCA. Copyright laws are a contract between the artist and the public; in exchange for exclusive rights over your creation for a period of time, it must fall into the public domain after a designated period. When companies seek to eliminate the public domain, the law should be treated as the farce it has become.

how do users justify online sharing of media?

Everything I've ever downloaded I never would have purchased anyway. However, I admit I'm somewhat of a spendthrift and this doesn't apply to everyone.

I grew up on public libraries and tv. Thus, I have a view that information and culture should be disseminated to as broad an audience as possible regardless of their means to pay. Or something like that. And when an artist unleashes their creation, they've let the genie out of the bottle and have rightly lost the ability to control how it is used. If they don't like it that way, then keep it bottled up. Information wants to be free, in the tired old phrase. Naive and unrealistic, I agree.

I think I had another point but I forgot it while writing the other portions of this posting.

any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?

An overrated topic. Independent studies have shown that piracy is at worst benign and at best has a positive impact, leading to greater exposure of the product to the very consumers who are most likely to buy it. Needs no solution and is used as a red herring by companies to hide their own ineptness/other business problems. The only distinction I would make are those who profit from it, in which case they should be treated as counterfeiters and prosecuted by law enforcement.

I may have some other thoughts on the subject, but it's rather late. About it, my views are probably a bit militant.
 
For myself, I was a freshman in college when Napster was released. I downloaded songs like it was my job. I discovered a lot of new music this way and have since purchased CDs for bands I never would have considered had I not previously downloaded their stuff illegally. I stopped downloading years ago and have bought only three CDs in the past five years (more or less), whereas I probably bought >10 per year before while I was downloading.

The RIAA also needs to decide what exactly I'm buying when I pay for a CD. Am I buying a license to the music, or the physical CD itself? Their current stance is that I own neither, which is unacceptable.

I also feel that the RIAA would suffer a great financial shortcoming if they somehow became more efficient in prosecuting piracy. I think it's the single greatest idea for free advertising ever developed.
 
Originally posted by: slash196
I refuse to pay 14 bucks for a CD, when nine dollars goes to the label, 4.50 to the distributor, and the artist gets 50 cents or less. I will start buying music again when I can be assured that ALL my money goes straight to the person who deserves it (the artist). As it stands, I refuse to support the current corporate climate that enslaves artists and gets rich doing it.

thats just your excuse for stealing!!
You would rather steal and pay nobody even depriving the artist of what you claim to be 50 cents....convoluted logic there!!
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
For myself, I was a freshman in college when Napster was released. I downloaded songs like it was my job. I discovered a lot of new music this way and have since purchased CDs for bands I never would have considered had I not previously downloaded their stuff illegally. I stopped downloading years ago and have bought only three CDs in the past five years (more or less), whereas I probably bought >10 per year before while I was downloading.

The RIAA also needs to decide what exactly I'm buying when I pay for a CD. Am I buying a license to the music, or the physical CD itself? Their current stance is that I own neither, which is unacceptable.

I also feel that the RIAA would suffer a great financial shortcoming if they somehow became more efficient in prosecuting piracy. I think it's the single greatest idea for free advertising ever developed.


I agree here. When I was downloading all the time I bought lots of CDs. Now I hardly buy anything, and the last couple I bought ended up sucking 🙁. Downloading is also about the only to find out about underground stuff, since the radio only plays the ~top 30 new songs.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
For myself, I was a freshman in college when Napster was released. I downloaded songs like it was my job. I discovered a lot of new music this way and have since purchased CDs for bands I never would have considered had I not previously downloaded their stuff illegally. I stopped downloading years ago and have bought only three CDs in the past five years (more or less), whereas I probably bought >10 per year before while I was downloading.

The RIAA also needs to decide what exactly I'm buying when I pay for a CD. Am I buying a license to the music, or the physical CD itself? Their current stance is that I own neither, which is unacceptable.

I also feel that the RIAA would suffer a great financial shortcoming if they somehow became more efficient in prosecuting piracy. I think it's the single greatest idea for free advertising ever developed.

I agrre with everything here, this year I bought 3 cd's that i never would have bought had it not been for d/ling music.
 
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Is it legal to tape content from TV or radio?


Yeah there is a SCOUS ruling on this back in the 80s when VCRs were coming out. I actually think there is a ruling for VCRs and another one for Tapes. They ruled it legal under fair use.
 
I got an email two days ago informing student at my school of the punishments for piracy. The punishment is as followed: delete the pirated stuff and write a letter apologizing for stealing it. I mean on one hand I guess it kicks ass that I am more or less immune to being sued since my college refuses to turn me over. On the other hand, the risk/reward is of course waaay in favor of pirating. The WORST that can happen is that I lose the stuff I pirated (after I've watched all the movies and listed to all the songs a hundred times). It is simply impossible to come out behind. I know that most other people still stand the risk of being sued, but it is still very unlikely. Also, for me, I am legally an adult, but I have pretty much nothing to my name, even IF the RIAA could sue me, what are they gonna get?, I mean I don;t really own anything, could they get money from my parents now that I'm an adult? If not, than all they can get are my clothes and textbooks, thats the only even remotely expensive stuff I have to my name.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
I got an email two days ago informing student at my school of the punishments for piracy. The punishment is as followed: delete the pirated stuff and write a letter apologizing for stealing it. I mean on one hand I guess it kicks ass that I am more or less immune to being sued since my college refuses to turn me over. On the other hand, the risk/reward is of course waaay in favor of pirating. The WORST that can happen is that I lose the stuff I pirated (after I've watched all the movies and listed to all the songs a hundred times). It is simply impossible to come out behind. I know that most other people still stand the risk of being sued, but it is still very unlikely. Also, for me, I am legally an adult, but I have pretty much nothing to my name, even IF the RIAA could sue me, what are they gonna get?, I mean I don;t really own anything, could they get money from my parents now that I'm an adult? If not, than all they can get are my clothes and textbooks, thats the only even remotely expensive stuff I have to my name.


They can put a lein on your future income.
 
Originally posted by: brownboi512
doin research on piracy and copyright infringement for senior research paper and i wanted the opinions of the internet community

how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?
how can people be justified by downloading music?
how do users justify online sharing of media?
any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?
any info on piracy or how u feel about the issue is appreciated. just wanted to know some other viewpoints on the issue.

thanks
To answer the direct question, piracy is wrong. Artists, musicians, writers and other creators deserve to profit from their work.

But.....

That having been said, I have a hard time feeling sorry for copyright conglomerates. The idea of copyright has been perverted from the original intent.

US Constitution Article I, Section 8, Clause 8

"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."

To begin, the transmission of ideas has changed over the last few centuries. Two centuries ago, disseminating ones work could take many years. The process of distribution has been changed with technology. Instead of having to write a book in longhand, typewriters and computers increased the productivity of authors. Spelling and grammar checkers have sped up the editorial process. Printing is now a matter of sending a computer file to a print shop, no more painful typesetting process. And now with the Internet, not only has production of new works sped up, but distribution is almost instantaneous. The return on investment for creators come far faster now than it did 200 years ago. If anything, copyright should have gotten shorter, not longer.

Second, due to the influence of corporate money and the fact that corporations are by law, people who never die, copyright is essentially limitless now. Every time Mickey Mouse is about to enter the public domain, along comes congress to rob the American people of their contractual rights. The citizens held up their end of the bargain and gave Disney the sole right to distribute Steamboat Willie but Disney keeps changing the deal, and the American people suffer for it.

How do we suffer you might ask? At least one way is the loss of culture. Do a little research into the film industry and how many early films have been lost, never to be seen again. Many reels of film were stored in damp basements and simply disintegrated. You could say it was just the film studios' loss, but was it? Those works were supposed to enter the public domain (meaning they'd be owned by society as a whole) after copyright expired, but because copyright prevents anyone but the copyright holder from legally duplicating works, nobody was able to do so. The Library of Congress does some archiving, but it's by no means comprehensive. As any techie knows, redundancy is the best way to preserve data, but continual extensions of copyright prevent that.

Think about how DRM (an attempt by copyright holders to extend copyright forever) is going to affect the passing of works into the public domain. Think of an obscure movie you saw that was released in 2006 that you enjoyed. Under current US copyright laws, that movie will be copyrighted until the next century. Corporate authored works currently have a copyright of 95 years. Do you think your DVD player will still work in 2101? What format do you think we'll be using? Now consider the fact that if the movie you're thinking of isn't a blockbuster movie, it's doubtful that the studio will continue to release that movie in ever new format. Sure, we still see Charlie Chaplain movies, but how many other movies from the silent era are currently on DVD? Back to the movie from 2006, this means that when copyright finally expires on that movie, the only viable copy will reside in a box in a studio warehouse somewhere. What are the chances that the movie ever sees the light of day again? Not good.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure most pirates aren't downloading copies of Spiderman 3 for such lofty goals, but the fact is that if there were no pirates there'd be nobody standing up to the media giants who are locking up our culture in their vaults and using it to extort money from us endlessly. And don't think for a second that if piracy suddenly vanished, that those media giants would suddenly decide to loosen their grip on their ?intellectual property?. Those companies are not fighting pirates because some nerdy kid in his basement robbed Sony of $12 by downloading that copy of Spiderman 3 instead of buying the DVD. Fighting piracy is just a convenient excuse for the media giants to lock up their content and squeeze consumers for every penny they have. They don't want to just sell you Spiderman 3. They want to sell it to you 12 times. If they could, they'd put a scanner in your living room that told them how many friends you had over to watch a movie, and they'd bill you per person. And then they'll charge you again to watch it on your iPod, simply because it's a different format.


I could go on and on, but these are a couple ideas for you to ponder in your research. On one hand, I detest piracy because it takes away incentive for artists to create. On the other hand, corporations have created an environment that fosters piracy with high prices and attempts to restrict fair use.
 
how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?
- it benefits no one, at most the RIAA and MPAA, it does not benefit the artist or the consumer

how can people be justified by downloading music?
- the record industry is not listening to the demands of the market, they isntead try to dictate what the market wants

how do users justify online sharing of media?
- depends on the user

any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?
- cheaper, better access, no drm, majority of the income goes to the artist instead of the current scheme where only a fraction goes to the artist and the industry takes the big cake
 
how do u guys feel about the RIAA and MPAA policies on copyright infringement?
how can people be justified by downloading music?
how do users justify online sharing of media?
any one have any solutions on the issue of piracy?
any info on piracy or how u feel about the issue is appreciated. just wanted to know some other viewpoints on the issue.

I think that modern reproduction is a threat unique in human history to the creative endeavors, potentially. Anything from music to books to art can be reproduced; about the only thing that can't is a live performance.

I think there are two main issues, the basic idea of copyright and the question of excessive copyright for corporate greed.

Copyright is essential to ensuring reward for the people who make things and encouraging it. On the other hand, corporations like Disney are absurdly powerful and able to get copyright extensions having nothing to do with that purposes, rather only protecting their money at the public expense because they can afford to make the donations.

People are wrong to pirate generally. There should be a fair exchange, and both the artist and the industry deserve some compensation.

I'm happy to see steps taken to protect copyright, including technology and education.
 
I was searching for info on software piracy just last night and saw a comment by someone on some site which seems to answer the questions pretty well. Let me see if I can get the link... Thanks to browsing history (and Google), here's the link:

Piracy

Look for the comment by the_caitiff.
 
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