Pioneer A07 having slow burning issues

[ChrisCramer247]

Hi all,

Well I have an 8x DVD burner Pioneer A07.

To burn a DVD on 4x it takes 45 mins - 1 hour, and I have tried the enabling of DMA in a variety of ways.

1. Typical method of enabling autodetect for DMA in hardware manager
2. uninstalling and reinstalling Secondary IDE channel.
3. Deleting registry associated files and restarting to hopefully get it to go.
4. Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

This is in a Dell 8300 Specs:

P4 3.0
1 GB PC3200
2 x 80 GB HD's
Pioneer A07
LiteOn 52x CDRW
Etc... Etc..

Any suggestions? TIA!

-Chris

 

[mechBgon]

Are you saying that DMA refuses to stay enabled in Windows? Next, try this:
[*]Use a new, flat (non-rounded), boring, regulation-length (18-inch) 80-wire IDE ribbon cable.
[*]In Device Manager, do an Uninstall of the IDE/ATA controller itself, then reboot and let Windows rediscover it.
[*]It might not be a bad idea to update your motherboard's chipset drivers either: Intel chipset-driver matrix[/list]Hope that helps You may also want to try the Pioneer by itself.

 

[SickBeast]

OP, I'm thinking that the problem is that you have the DVD burner on the same IDE channel as the hard drive which you're burning from. This will cause huge slowdowns as only one drive can be accessed at a time. It could also produce burns with huge numbers of errors.

Make sure that you have the hard drive which you want to burn from and the DVD burner on seperate IDE channels. The same goes for the CD burner.

The other thing to ensure is that the jumpers on each drive correspond to their designation as either "master" or "slave". From the looks of it you have both optical drives on the same IDE channel, so my first suspicion may be incorrect.

 

[ChrisCramer247]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
OP, I'm thinking that the problem is that you have the DVD burner on the same IDE channel as the hard drive which you're burning from. This will cause huge slowdowns as only one drive can be accessed at a time. It could also produce burns with huge numbers of errors.

Make sure that you have the hard drive which you want to burn from and the DVD burner on seperate IDE channels. The same goes for the CD burner.

The other thing to ensure is that the jumpers on each drive correspond to their designation as either "master" or "slave". From the looks of it you have both optical drives on the same IDE channel, so my first suspicion may be incorrect.

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

 

[LED]

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

 

[SickBeast]

You should try going into device manager and list the properties of your IDE controller. It should tell you if DMA is enabled for all of your IDE devices.

There are many things which can cause slow DVD burns. If your hard drive is extremely fragmented, that can cause a serious problem. Another thing to watch out for is crappy DVD media. What may in fact be happening is that your burner is only burning at 1X or 2X because it decided that the media was poor and could not handle higher speeds. Sometimes even if Nero says it's burning at 4X it is in reality burning at a much slower rate.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: LED

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

his hds are on a separate channel with burners on the secondary..his trouble most likely is either jumper(s)/cable position of the drives in reference to what the Dell wants to see or an Intel mobo drivers issue..gl
and possibly what is posted above this post..all factors add up..

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247
OK I've disconnected the secondary HD and CD Burner.

Here is the pic of the setup right now and still same issues Ultra DMA 2 is enabled but still issues:

www.chriscramer.net/dvdslow.jpg

 

[ChrisCramer247]

OK I've disconnected the secondary HD and CD Burner.

Here is the pic of the setup right now and still same issues Ultra DMA 2 is enabled but still issues:

Pic

 

[ScrapSilicon]

your setup ..This is in a Dell 8300 Specs:

P4 3.0
1 GB PC3200
2 x 80 GB HD's
Pioneer A07
LiteOn 52x CDRW
what burning prog,atip of the media blank,burning on the fly(from file..?)..and your Pioneer when set to Master is it jumpered as such and on the last ide plug of the cable..? and is the cable(checked with another known good cable?) udma 66 or better..? uhoh..

Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

bad move ..very incorrect ..place DVD as Master with jumper as Master..on the end position(Master) of the ide chain..set CDRW as Slave on jumper and on the second ide connector of same cable..

 

[SickBeast]

What software are you using, and what media? It should not be a hardware issue considering the JPEG you just posted.

 

[ChrisCramer247]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What software are you using, and what media? It should not be a hardware issue considering the JPEG you just posted.

Media = DVD-R Ritek G04
DVDRW = Pioneer A04
Backup Program = DVDshrink
Burning = ImgTools / Nero 6.3.X

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What software are you using, and what media? It should not be a hardware issue considering the JPEG you just posted.

Media = DVD-R Ritek G04
DVDRW = Pioneer A04
Backup Program = DVDshrink
Burning = ImgTools / Nero 6.3.X

hope that A04 is a typo otherwise your times are near its rating..and read my above post as well concerning..4. Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

 

[LED]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: LED

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

his hds are on a separate channel with burners on the secondary..his trouble most likely is either jumper(s)/cable position of the drives in reference to what the Dell wants to see or an Intel mobo drivers issue..gl


No his HD's are on the same Chain (Primary) while the Opticals are on the same chain (2ndary)...If although the thread has revoled as that not being the problem, if butning on the fly (copying CD/DVD) it would be faster to have 1 Optical on the Master (slave) with the other on the 2ndary (Master)...

 

[ChrisCramer247]

Originally posted by: LED

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: LED

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

his hds are on a separate channel with burners on the secondary..his trouble most likely is either jumper(s)/cable position of the drives in reference to what the Dell wants to see or an Intel mobo drivers issue..gl


No his HD's are on the same Chain (Primary) while the Opticals are on the same chain (2ndary)...If although the thread has revoled as that not being the problem, if butning on the fly (copying CD/DVD) it would be faster to have 1 Optical on the Master (slave) with the other on the 2ndary (Master)...

This is not on the fly, it is from a backup VIA DVD shrink.

 

[LED]

and ther amount of time is after the DVD has been encoded?...On my Ao7 if I set it to 4X and ask it to veryify the write...it would be 45 mins or so...

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: LED

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

his hds are on a separate channel with burners on the secondary..his trouble most likely is either jumper(s)/cable position of the drives in reference to what the Dell wants to see or an Intel mobo drivers issue..gl
and possibly what is posted above this post..all factors add up..

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247
OK I've disconnected the secondary HD and CD Burner.

Here is the pic of the setup right now and still same issues Ultra DMA 2 is enabled but still issues:

www.chriscramer.net/dvdslow.jpg

from the time I posted that til this new reply..have burned 21 DVDs (most approx. 4GBs in size from file)..

 

[LED]

from the time I posted that til this new reply..have burned 21 DVDs (most approx. 4GBs in size from file)..

Sure that's prolly possibly with 4 Gigs burning @ 4X would be 10- 15 mins max each without verifying the data and the encoding process takes much longer...

 

[ChrisCramer247]

Originally posted by: LED
and ther amount of time is after the DVD has been encoded?...On my Ao7 if I set it to 4X and ask it to veryify the write...it would be 45 mins or so...

No the 45-1 hour is just for the burn. not the encode.

I downloaded the newest chipset drivers and still nothing.

Thinking of pulling the slave HD and just trying both the HD and the DVDRW on IDE 1.

This is a biznatch, been building PC's ever since P1 .

Man i feel old

 

[NateSLC]

Do you happen to have Norton Antivirus? When burning the VOB files which are a gigabyte or so, the auto protect feature of Norton can load the whole VOB into RAM. If you disable auto-protect and burn you won't have that problem.

I was burning DVDs at 4x with this problem on a machine that had 512MB of RAM installed and all the page file swapping caused the burn to go very slowly. I even noticed delayed burn times with my machine that has 1GB.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What software are you using, and what media? It should not be a hardware issue considering the JPEG you just posted.

Media = DVD-R Ritek G04
DVDRW = Pioneer A04
Backup Program = DVDshrink
Burning = ImgTools / Nero 6.3.X

hope that A04 is a typo otherwise your times are near its rating..and read my above post as well concerning..4. Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

Agreed. The A04 is only a 2X burner AFAIK.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: LED

from the time I posted that til this new reply..have burned 21 DVDs (most approx. 4GBs in size from file)..

Sure that's prolly possibly with 4 Gigs burning @ 4X would be 10- 15 mins max each without verifying the data and the encoding process takes much longer...

you definitely are not reading the full sentence..the 21 burnt were from file and the time of each burn was approx. 8 minutes which is 8x..

and pick out which part of doing the following is bad for performance..

4. Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

nm..I'll just highlight it again..gl Chris

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What software are you using, and what media? It should not be a hardware issue considering the JPEG you just posted.

Media = DVD-R Ritek G04
DVDRW = Pioneer A04
Backup Program = DVDshrink
Burning = ImgTools / Nero 6.3.X

hope that A04 is a typo otherwise your times are near its rating..and read my above post as well concerning..4. Place DVD on the slave part of the ribbon and set it as master while the CD-Burner is slaved.

Agreed. The A04 is only a 2X burner AFAIK.

yep..just went and had a looksee at one..the fellow figured why his burns weren't as speedy as some of my drives..but his drive(an 04) was a gift so no complaints after I pointed out that ..free is good if it works ..and his does set as Master and on the secondary controller on the end(Master) position of an ultra100 rated ide cable..

 

[LED]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: LED

Both my HD's are on the primary channel, Burners are on secondary channel. I'll keep messing with it though

That is more likely the problem...keep the Opticals on seperate chain esp if you are burning on the fly between them...Old school chipsets suffered a perfamnce when connected to a HD but not any more, however Opticals on the sme drive have to exhange (read & write when on the same chain) which slows matters down

his hds are on a separate channel with burners on the secondary..his trouble most likely is either jumper(s)/cable position of the drives in reference to what the Dell wants to see or an Intel mobo drivers issue..gl
and possibly what is posted above this post..all factors add up..

Originally posted by: ChrisCramer247
OK I've disconnected the secondary HD and CD Burner.

Here is the pic of the setup right now and still same issues Ultra DMA 2 is enabled but still issues:

www.chriscramer.net/dvdslow.jpg

I'll quote your whole sentence(s) as nowhere did it state 8x burn which is even more likely to do 21DVD's ... Like I stated ScrapSilicon what you did is possible because you wrote the DVD's from file
but the poster with the problem is not, he's using DVD Shrink ...and here's your complete sentence on the matter once again...:roll:

from the time I posted that til this new reply..have burned 21 DVDs (most approx. 4GBs in size from file)..

What a waste of bandwith!

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: LED


What a waste of bandwith!

agreed .. DVDShrink in 21 minutes 44 seconds..backup complete at 4463MB as always your mileage may vary..