Pinewood Derby - Helped my boy finish a Geeky Pinewood Derby Car!

Analog

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Okay, so my boy wanted to make a pinewood derby car like no other. He wanted to make a sheriff patrol car. So I went ahead and helped him with some stuff, and I went so far as to make a custom programmed embedded processor running some code to make the lights flash.

Pics below - although they're still shots.

http://i133.photobucket.com/al.../Alamando/Dscn0245.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/al.../Alamando/Dscn0246.jpg


I'm glad its done. It has 10 leds on top, hollowed out for batteries and the circuit elements... What do you think?


BTW - looks like we're a hair under 5 oz, the limit!
 

Analog

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Uh... is that "Debry-legal"?

Sure - as long as its only for decoration, which it is. It doesn't help propel the car, and all other dimensions and weight are followed.
 

brxndxn

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LOL.. sweet!

7oz was our limit.. 5oz sounds tough! The adults always had their own cars that had no limit.. One guy's dad brought in a car that seemed like it was made out of lead. We thought it was gonna fly.. but it failed miserably.. The wheels were made out of heavy metal too :p

 

Slew Foot

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The problem with the heavy cars is that they get bogged down on the long straightaway. Its more important to have well lubricated wheel axels.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Analog
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Uh... is that "Debry-legal"?

Sure - as long as its only for decoration, which it is. It doesn't help propel the car, and all other dimensions and weight are followed.

I thought there were limitations on what you could actually put in a car - like I thought batteries were a no-no. Oh well. Definitely cool looking.
 

Utterman

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Could you get some darker pics so we can see the lights in action?

Very good job though.
 

JTsyo

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How does this race work? Is it just downhill?

I remember doing CO2 powered cars in HS. That was fun. The winner in our class had hollowed out his car. It was crushed at the end but set the best time.
 

Sphexi

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We used to drill out the bottom of our cars and glue in lead fishing weights, and use that graphite powder stuff on the wheels to get em going fast.
 

nanette1985

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That looks sweet - flashing lights. Maybe your son can pull over the other car on the track for speeding.

It's been a while since my kid was racing those things, I remember going thru boxes and boxes of wheels looking for the ones that were the most round or something like that. He did win - but his cars weren't as cool as yours.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Analog
Okay, so my boy wanted to make a pinewood derby car like no other. He wanted to make a sheriff patrol car. So I went ahead and helped him with some stuff, and I went so far as to make a custom programmed embedded processor running some code to make the lights flash.

Pics below - although they're still shots.

http://i133.photobucket.com/al.../Alamando/Dscn0245.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/al.../Alamando/Dscn0246.jpg


I'm glad its done. It has 10 leds on top, hollowed out for batteries and the circuit elements... What do you think?


BTW - looks like we're a hair under 5 oz, the limit!
Way to go Dad:thumbsup:
 

0roo0roo

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heh i built my derby car on my own. no help from dad!
it looked like a pos of course. whitling a chunk of wood with a semi dull swiss army knife was just a pain. damn cheap asian parents. they didn't believe the thing about dull knives being dangerous. well a nice slice on my thumb was the result.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
LOL.. sweet!

7oz was our limit.. 5oz sounds tough! The adults always had their own cars that had no limit.. One guy's dad brought in a car that seemed like it was made out of lead. We thought it was gonna fly.. but it failed miserably.. The wheels were made out of heavy metal too :p

we had 2 class's. 5oz for teens and 7 for kids. then the adult wich was unlimited. heh


 

SearchMaster

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh i built my derby car on my own. no help from dad!
it looked like a pos of course. whitling a chunk of wood with a semi dull swiss army knife was just a pain. damn cheap asian parents. they didn't believe the thing about dull knives being dangerous. well a nice slice on my thumb was the result.

My kids have been doing PD two years now. The fastest car I've seen is the only one I've seen yet that was obviously done solely by the kid. It was a chunk of wood colored by crayola apparently, and he kept slinging the car around on the ground and the wheels kept falling off. But that thing won every race by two car lengths.
 

Analog

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh i built my derby car on my own. no help from dad!
it looked like a pos of course. whitling a chunk of wood with a semi dull swiss army knife was just a pain. damn cheap asian parents. they didn't believe the thing about dull knives being dangerous. well a nice slice on my thumb was the result.

When I was a cub scout, that's exactly what I did. My Dad didn't know anything about wood working.
 

DrPizza

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Tip: reducing friction in the wheels is the MOST important part of a pinewood derby car. If you used the little nails that came with the kit:
remove the nails.
put them in a drill chuck
turn drill on
polish "axles" with emory cloth. Bevel the head of the nail so that the sharp edge doesn't grind against the wheels

Replace the "axles"; lubricate with graphite.

edit: sand the inside edge of the wheels where they might rub against the car; get it as smooth as possible; lubricate this as well.
 

Rinaun

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Tip: reducing friction in the wheels is the MOST important part of a pinewood derby car. If you used the little nails that came with the kit:
remove the nails.
put them in a drill chuck
turn drill on
polish "axles" with emory cloth. Bevel the head of the nail so that the sharp edge doesn't grind against the wheels

Replace the "axles"; lubricate with graphite.

edit: sand the inside edge of the wheels where they might rub against the car; get it as smooth as possible; lubricate this as well.

Exactly. We did all this, along with my dad being an engineer, and that got my brother to state finals for boy scout's PD one year. Thing was just a triangle wedge, but my dad put a slight concave in it for aerodynamics.
 

Greenman

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We used to do Golden Rule racing after the regular derby. The golden rule was 5oz, anything else you wanted to do was fine, and anyone could enter. We also charged $5 to enter the race, the winner got half and the pack got the other half. It was a pretty big deal in our pack.
 

badkarma1399

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Tip: reducing friction in the wheels is the MOST important part of a pinewood derby car. If you used the little nails that came with the kit:
remove the nails.
put them in a drill chuck
turn drill on
polish "axles" with emory cloth. Bevel the head of the nail so that the sharp edge doesn't grind against the wheels

Replace the "axles"; lubricate with graphite.

edit: sand the inside edge of the wheels where they might rub against the car; get it as smooth as possible; lubricate this as well.

:D

What I also did ...erm....with help from my dad, was to reduce the axle's diameter for just the part that was over the direct center of the wheel. The wheel would then only touch the axis at the wheel's front and back, but there would be no/little contact with the center of the wheel and the axle.

We also balanced it so it would only use three of the wheels, as opposed to four. Won first place two years in a row.
 

shortylickens

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Dr Pizza had good tips.
As for the OP's car: All that fancy stuff on top is non-aerodynamic.
I happen to be home right now, let me take a pic of my dads winner from back in the day and I'll show you.

EDIT:
I just took a few pics but my favorite pic hosting site is having issues. Will keep the memory card and post again tonight.
 

SearchMaster

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Originally posted by: badkarma1399
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Tip: reducing friction in the wheels is the MOST important part of a pinewood derby car. If you used the little nails that came with the kit:
remove the nails.
put them in a drill chuck
turn drill on
polish "axles" with emory cloth. Bevel the head of the nail so that the sharp edge doesn't grind against the wheels

Replace the "axles"; lubricate with graphite.

edit: sand the inside edge of the wheels where they might rub against the car; get it as smooth as possible; lubricate this as well.

:D

What I also did ...erm....with help from my dad, was to reduce the axle's diameter for just the part that was over the direct center of the wheel. The wheel would then only touch the axis at the wheel's front and back, but there would be no/little contact with the center of the wheel and the axle.

We also balanced it so it would only use three of the wheels, as opposed to four. Won first place two years in a row.

I bought some axles off the internet last year that were lathed like that because I don't have access to the equipment to do it. It also helps because it allows more lubricant between the wheel and axel. We didn't do the "3 wheel" trick because it was specifically against the rules (though noone ever checked).

I think I spent about $50 getting supplies and such off the Net last year :). Normally I am all about letting the kid do as much of the work as is safely possible and stressing that the learning is more important than winning. But last year my oldest was mad because our effort the previous year wasn't that great (we finished midpack pretty much), though he did a good job as he did most of it himself. So he implored his contractor uncle to work with him last year instead of me. It became a contest, as my middle son was up for his first PD race. I still had him do a lot of the work but I took more consideration with design issues and getting the axles just right.

We smoked them :). We ended up with the fastest car in all the age groups for our Cub Scout Pack, but we never went to the district race.

Another tip that helped a lot: we took out a notch from the front, and put a spoiler-like device in its place. When the pin drops on the track as the race starts, the pin slides past the spoiler and through the void from the notch, so there's nothing holding the car from going down the track. The other cars are still being held back by the pin for a tenth of a second or two (guessing, not scientific). Our car would end up with an inch or two head start.