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I don't blame him, because he was doing his job. But how could he not feel remorse for all those deaths?
Wait what? Lies
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Either that or Operation Olympic, losses on both sides would have been even more catastrophic. It was going to be a 1,000,000 man invasion.
Tokyo fire raids killed more.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Either that or Operation Olympic, losses on both sides would have been even more catastrophic. It was going to be a 1,000,000 man invasion.
Tokyo fire raids killed more.
Yeah. It's just too bad that isn't true, but it's a nice easy way for the US to keep its morality.
Dwight Eisenhower, president of the United States and Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in World War II:
During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Wait what? Lies
Yep, the history books that our high schoolers (and non-history college majors) read are full of misinformation. We also provoked them by limiting their imperialist growth in the 30s.
Rogo
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
30 year old colonel? Wow.
I guess we can make all the comments we want, but none of us will ever know what it was like to be in his shoes. You take 80K lives for your country...that's a hell of a moral weight to have on your shoulders until you die.
But, from the sounds of it, it looked like we chose the right guy.
Fortunately for us the country was full of the "right guys" at that time.
RIP
Originally posted by: BigToque
I think that any course of action that required the intentional killing of an innocent person is horrible.
I think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a mistake and they never should have happened.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Wait what? Lies
Yep, the history books that our high schoolers (and non-history college majors) read are full of misinformation. We also provoked them by limiting their imperialist growth in the 30s.
Rogo
Originally posted by: BigToque
I think that any course of action that required the intentional killing of an innocent person is horrible.
I think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a mistake and they never should have happened.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Wait what? Lies
Yep, the history books that our high schoolers (and non-history college majors) read are full of misinformation. We also provoked them by limiting their imperialist growth in the 30s.
Rogo
Originally posted by: BigToque
I think that any course of action that required the intentional killing of an innocent person is horrible.
I think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a mistake and they never should have happened.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Either that or Operation Olympic, losses on both sides would have been even more catastrophic. It was going to be a 1,000,000 man invasion.
That is a load of historical bullshit.
We had been firebombing the shit out of Japan prior to dropping the nuclear bombs. Japanese diplomats were throwing out peace treaties.
Rogo
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Either that or Operation Olympic, losses on both sides would have been even more catastrophic. It was going to be a 1,000,000 man invasion.
Tokyo fire raids killed more.
Yeah. It's just too bad that isn't true, but it's a nice easy way for the US to keep its morality.
Dwight Eisenhower, president of the United States and Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in World War II:
During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'.
Should'a, would'a, could'a. There might be a half dozen people on this forum that were alive when these bombs were dropped, much less adult and discerning. We weren't there, we don't really know what happened, but we do know that almost the entire world agreed upon what did happen shortly after it happened and the people that were there were still alive. If you have conspiracy theories, ok, but take it to P&N. These kinds of threads are posted in OT specifically to avoid the flamebait and stupid arguments that are expected over there.
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
30 year old colonel? Wow.
I guess we can make all the comments we want, but none of us will ever know what it was like to be in his shoes. You take 80K lives for your country...that's a hell of a moral weight to have on your shoulders until you die.
But, from the sounds of it, it looked like we chose the right guy.
Fortunately for us the country was full of the "right guys" at that time.
RIP
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Should'a, would'a, could'a. There might be a half dozen people on this forum that were alive when these bombs were dropped, much less adult and discerning. We weren't there, we don't really know what happened, but we do know that almost the entire world agreed upon what did happen shortly after it happened and the people that were there were still alive. If you have conspiracy theories, ok, but take it to P&N. These kinds of threads are posted in OT specifically to avoid the flamebait and stupid arguments that are expected over there.
At least you have to read about the history of the machine that supports your life lad.
Take a fucking leap.
Rogo
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
30 year old colonel? Wow.
I guess we can make all the comments we want, but none of us will ever know what it was like to be in his shoes. You take 80K lives for your country...that's a hell of a moral weight to have on your shoulders until you die.
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
If I killed 80,000 people for any reason it would haunt me for the rest of my life. Deep down I would not be able to completely justify the deaths or absolve myself of guilt
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Either that or Operation Olympic, losses on both sides would have been even more catastrophic. It was going to be a 1,000,000 man invasion.
Tokyo fire raids killed more.
not to mention that all the bombing runs over German towns killed WAY more than the combined death toll from the A-bombs AND tokyo fire raids combined. And that would have just been the casualties from US bombing runs. Britain committed their own bombing runs that killed quite a few more too, although not sure of the estimated total death tolls.
it was an honor having that man as a citizen, and to still have the weight on his shoulders till this day shows he was an honorable man who still had a conscious. Probably one of those things you just couldn't block out of your memory, no matter how hard you tried.
I don't know what you're talking about, but I think you're implying I'm ignorant of history. Well, that couldn't be further from the truth, I was one of the weirdos that actually liked it in school, and am still taking history in college. Just because I know when and where discussions are appropriate doesn't mean I don't want to have the discussions at all.
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
30 year old colonel? Wow.
I guess we can make all the comments we want, but none of us will ever know what it was like to be in his shoes. You take 80K lives for your country...that's a hell of a moral weight to have on your shoulders until you die.
It wasn't just him. He wad flying...what about the bombardier? You know...the guy who drops the hatches...
And the 12 other people.
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
If I killed 80,000 people for any reason it would haunt me for the rest of my life. Deep down I would not be able to completely justify the deaths or absolve myself of guilt
Well, that's why they didn't pick you, now, right?
But at the same time...comments like these make me pause and wonder if people don't think things through before posting...or talking.
Originally posted by: jjsole
Much more shameful than one man dropping an atom bomb on 80,000 people is the impact our country has had over the years, directly and indirectly, in aiding nuclear proliferation in different parts of the world.
Every time I see you nik for some reason my brain reads it as "jizzhole", then I read your post and I understand why.