Pics of Thorton. Anyone know more about it?

[JetBlack69]

I searched for Thorton and got a thread from May. Here is the picture

http://www.hexus.net/

Anybody know any more about it?

 

[Pariah]

No, but looks like the new Duron.

 

[mechBgon]

At least two people on the Forums have reported getting what have to be Thorntons. My own thought is that the increased surface-to-wattage ratio might give them a little edge in cooling, never a bad thing considering the certainty that Forum denizens will OC anything they can lay hands on

 

[JetBlack69]

I assume those 2 people were looking for Thortons. Are they labeled as xx00+?

 

[mechBgon]

They weren't looking for them, they ordered AthlonXP's and happened to receive the Thornton-core models. The threads are here and here for your browsing pleasure.

 

[JetBlack69]

Thanks for the links mechBgon!

 

[mechBgon]

Sure thing

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

If Bartons have a 333mhz bus, should'nt Thortons too?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

If Bartons have a 333mhz bus, should'nt Thortons too?

No, because there are motherboards out there that don't have 333MHz FSB support.

 

[draggoon01]

hmmm, will thortons keep 266 fsb as they scale up? it'd be nice to have something faster than 2600+ (although 2400+ is more easily available) for older mobo.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

Yeah, but don't they fill the same market niche as Duron did? Barton is their high end line, and Thornton is their value line?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

Yeah, but don't they fill the same market niche as Duron did? Barton is their high end line, and Thornton is their value line?

Duron appears to still be in production, so it might be premature to say "as Duron did." link Palomino, Thoroughbred, Thornton and Barton are all AthlonXP (or else AthlonMP).

 

[Wingznut]

If I'm not mistaken... The last flavor of Duron (1.3ghz) came out almost 18 months ago. AMD was manufacturing them at Fab25 in Austin, but it has since been converted to a flash memory fab.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
If I'm not mistaken... The last flavor of Duron (1.3ghz) came out almost 18 months ago. AMD was manufacturing them at Fab25 in Austin, but it has since been converted to a flash memory fab.

I guess the time will come when all of the AthlonXPs are the "value line" while Clawhammer takes over flagship duties on the desktop. Now where is that darned nForce3 review...

 

[Macro2]

Perhaps they are converting all die to the barton core and disabling (this is done with a laser techique) half the L2 cache for market segmentation reasons. Not unlike what Intel did with P3/Celeron.
Also they could be yielding more good die by doing this as well which would make even more sense.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: draggoon01
hmmm, will thortons keep 266 fsb as they scale up? it'd be nice to have something faster than 2600+ (although 2400+ is more easily available) for older mobo.

No, because the Thorton is just to replace the Thoroughbred. It is not a "new model" of CPU. Just market filler.

With the prices of CPU's being driven into the ground, it just wouldn't be profitable for AMD to continue with anything slower than the Barton 2500+ come the end of the year.

Expect a short lifespan for the Thorton.

 

[Sid59]

lets see if i understand this ..

thorton replaces the thorougbred core, so it can fill the demand for the old speeds. to match the speeds and PR rating, they disable the L2 and lower the fsb. They do this to maintain similar chips without fabbing it all over again.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: Pariah
No, but looks like the new Duron.

No. It's the replacement for the Thoroughbred. AMD doesn't make Thoroughbreds anymore so they're cutting some of the Barton dies out for use as "Thortons" in order to fill 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ CPU's. They've been out for a month or so, but just recently the press has been deciding to buzz about it and spreading rumors about it being the "next Duron" or "a rival to the Celeron." It's an exact replacement for the Thoroughbred and nothing more. Same 266 MHz FSB, same 256K cache, same voltage.

You can tell the difference between a T-bred and a Thorton two ways:

1. The die size of a Thorton is larger than a T-bred. Same size as the Barton (for obvious reasons).

2. The markings on the OPGA are "AXDC..." instead of "AXDA..."

Yeah, but don't they fill the same market niche as Duron did? Barton is their high end line, and Thornton is their value line?

Duron appears to still be in production, so it might be premature to say "as Duron did." link Palomino, Thoroughbred, Thornton and Barton are all AthlonXP (or else AthlonMP).

Actually, no. When Durons were still being made, the alternative "high end" CPU's were still way over $100. Now we have Bartons for under $100. If you want to look at it in terms of "Duron Market/Athlon Market" you can say that the Athlon XP is now filling today's Duron market and the Opteron is now the high end CPU.

And the Duron's are NOT made anymore. There's just a lot in the retail channel still. The CPU's you see for sale are new old stock. Look at the date code of any Duron. Pretty old, eh?

In fact, when OEM's needed Durons for builds earlier this year (OEM's buy direct from AMD, so the plethora of Durons floating around in the retail channel and gray market did not matter) after AMD decided it was not producing the Morgan core any longer, AMD fit the bill by disabling half the cache of a Palomino core and slowing the FSB down to 100 MHz. This is how the Morganino came about last year. It was a short lived chip because once orders will filled, the CPU was no longer needed. The Thorton will suffer the same fate for the same reason.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: Sid59
lets see if i understand this ..

thorton replaces the thorougbred core, so it can fill the demand for the old speeds. to match the speeds and PR rating, they disable the L2 and lower the fsb. They do this to maintain similar chips without fabbing it all over again.

DING DING DING!!!

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