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Pic of Jesus in orgy with his disciples

You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."

What's the matter with you, are you some kind of Islamopobe? It's a religion of peace... after they kill you. This diversity must be embraced or you?re a genocidal freedom hating nazi as I was called.

As it was said in another recent topic.
 
There is a tremendous difference in the responses ... I didn't see Jewish people hurling death threats or attempting to murder Mel Gibson for passion of the christ

Did the Christians riot or burn anything or stab to death the artist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ << no death threats etc..

Check this one out
A teacher names the teddy bear Muhammed... and gets death threats and
Conviction and reaction
On November 28, 2007, it was reported that Gibbons had been formally charged under Section 125 of the Sudanese Criminal Act, for "insulting religion, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs".[6][7] This carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment, a fine, or 40 lashes.

On November 29, 2007, Gibbons was found guilty of "insulting religion", one of the three counts against her, and was sentenced to 15 days' imprisonment and deportation.[8] The Muslim Council of Britain, an umbrella organisation of British Muslim groups, said the punishment was "completely unjustified"[9] and that it was "appalled",[10] and called on the Sudanese government to intervene.[11]

On November 30, approximately 400 protesters took to the streets[12], some of them waving swords and machetes, demanding Gibbons's execution after imams denounced her during Friday prayers.[13][14] During the march, chants of "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad" were heard. Witnesses reported that government employees were involved in inciting the protests.[15] Gibbons was then moved to a secret location because of fears for her safety.[16]


[edit] Release
In an attempt to push for the release of Gibbons, two British Muslim peers (members of the House of Lords), Lord Ahmed (Labour) and Baroness Warsi (Conservative), visited Sudan with hopes of talking to the country's President Omar al-Bashir.[16]

While the two British politicians were meeting the President on December 3 it was announced that Mrs. Gibbons was to be released from prison after being pardoned by Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir. She was released from prison into the care of the British embassy in Khartoum, and she later returned to her hometown in Britain, after issuing a written statement saying; "I have a great respect for the Islamic religion and would not knowingly offend anyone." [17][18]


[edit] Development
The school was closed until January 2008 for the safety of pupils and staff as reprisals are feared.[2][19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...dy_bear_blasphemy_case
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."

What's the matter with you, are you some kind of Islamopobe? It's a religion of peace... after they kill you. This diversity must be embraced or you?re a genocidal freedom hating nazi as I was called.

As it was said in another recent topic.

I'm only referring to the reaction of certain groups to these types of events.

I don't subscribe to the simplistic worldview that Islam is inherently evil.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I'm only referring to the reaction of certain groups to these types of events.

I don't subscribe to the simplistic worldview that Islam is inherently evil.

Calling for the moderates to take charge and for Islam to "cut out its cancer" is far removed from "inherently evil". Yet that hyperbole is the entire point. Those labels are used to assault every notion that there is anything wrong. To assault every notion that something needs to be done to turn "Riots, calls for death" into "Furor, debate".

Purposefully mislabeling the opponents of "Riots, calls for death" is the surest way to protect and defend those wrongs.
 
Every university-educated secularist knows for a fact that every even-near-moderate-Christian would be murdering and looting over this painting if they all weren't already stalking abortion doctors and blowing up abortion clinics. Just today like 17 abortion clinics in my neighborhood alone were leveled to the ground by run of the mill Christians.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."

you're actually the one that's comparing two extremes. you cite examples of, in your own words, muslim radicals, and yet you compare them to the moderate christians. i'm sure i can think of radical christians willing to blow up that painting and the artist to kingdom come.

for a moment, take off your western-centric viewing glasses and remember your own (and those around you) reaction when you heard the muslim people (yes, the general populace) were offended by the cartoons. if you read the article, you'll notice that majority of complaints came from america and germany. those same people that couldn't understand why muslims would be so upset over a stupid cartoon are probably the same ones that are now incensed by this painting.
 
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."

you're actually the one that's comparing two extremes. you cite examples of, in your own words, muslim radicals, and yet you compare them to the moderate christians. i'm sure i can think of radical christians willing to blow up that painting and the artist to kingdom come.

Well, in the article sited, there is no mention of rioting and murder, just complaining. Muslims have killed and bombed and rioted over drawings and "art." If the article was about abortion clinics, then maybe you would have a leg to stand on. B/C it is about "art," you really are wrong.

edit: And i don't think it is outlandish or wrong for people to complain about things that they find offensive, especially when it is in regard to a cherished belief.
 
It seems to be impossible to find a jpeg of the piece on the Net.

This case is just another example of the fact that art is not free, and more generally, speech isn't. All speech is condoned or it's suppressed. Like Bush's "Free Speech Zones", this piece was moved to another location.
 
I think that the idea that Jesus never got laid is absurd anyway. If he hadn't, he would have been considered some kind of freak by his society long before he began preaching. It wasn't until after his death that the idea of celibacy was given light. Maybe that is why that part of his biography is left blank.
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I think that the idea that Jesus never got laid is absurd anyway. If he hadn't, he would have been considered some kind of freak by his society long before he began preaching. It wasn't until after his death that the idea of celibacy was given light. Maybe that is why that part of his biography is left blank.

Homeboy was skilled at laying wood too 🙂
 
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
Originally posted by: sirjonk
You forgot the smiley emoticon to denote sarcasm, I sincerely hope.

Response to museum exhibit by outraged catholics?
?I am deeply offended and profoundly disgusted,? Lyon wrote in the museum?s guest book. ?Whatever led the directors and others responsible to think that our Lord could be represented in such a way??

Response by muslims to cartoons?
"In the UK, Muslim radicals call for those who ?insult Islam? to be killed."

Note the article says "Furor, debate over..." and not "Riots, calls for death over..."

you're actually the one that's comparing two extremes. you cite examples of, in your own words, muslim radicals, and yet you compare them to the moderate christians. i'm sure i can think of radical christians willing to blow up that painting and the artist to kingdom come.

Well, in the article sited, there is no mention of rioting and murder, just complaining. Muslims have killed and bombed and rioted over drawings and "art." If the article was about abortion clinics, then maybe you would have a leg to stand on. B/C it is about "art," you really are wrong.

edit: And i don't think it is outlandish or wrong for people to complain about things that they find offensive, especially when it is in regard to a cherished belief.

None of you read the article, I take it? Let's see:

?I?ve even seen Web postings from extremists who have threatened to come to Vienna and blow up its museums with Molotov cocktails,? exhibition curator Michael Kaufmann said Friday.

No, nothing about violence in that article, not at all... It's certainly not as bad as the mass protests by Islamic extremists (ie idiots) over the cartoons about Mohammed, but to say that there were no threats of violence is demonstrably false.
 
If the UK was a Christian theocracy, that exhibiton would not exist and I am sure the artist(s) who created it would one way or another be harshly punished.
 
It is true that there is a difference in the level of violence (in this case, none at all, thankfully). While that fact is certainly important, I find it more interesting that they are just as eager to censor artwork however. Religious people don't seem to be able to deal with this sort of thing.
 
lord that is sick :x To me, in these situations, there is a fine line between respecting someone's beliefs even if you don't believe in it, and just being a dick about it. This is a case of the latter.
 
I always love when people complain about insufficient outrage. There is always some moron on TV or radio asking "where is the outrage?"
 
To me, in these situations, there is a fine line between respecting someone's beliefs even if you don't believe in it, and just being a dick about it. This is a case of the latter.
In other words, art is OK as long as it doesn't irritate anyone.
 
Memo from President Hodge: Review of October noose incident - University Announcements
Posted April 11, 2008 4:35 PM by Claire Wagner
To: Members of the Miami University Community

From: David Hodge, President

Date: April 11, 2008

Re: ?Noose? Incident


On October 30, 2007, three Miami undergraduate students, as part of an Art 171 assignment to create an exterior art project, hung several nooses (termed scaffolding knots by the art students) and a tire swing from a tree on Patterson Avenue on the Oxford Campus. The unattended and unmarked display was discovered by African-American students and staff who, being familiar with recent national incidents involving the use of a noose as a symbol of racial intimidation, became alarmed and alerted the University Police. This disturbing incident raised difficult questions about the behavior of the individuals involved and the boundaries of artistic expression in the educational context.

In keeping with University protocol, I asked Mr. Matt Boaz, Director of the Office of Equity and Equal Opportunity, to prepare a complete report of the incident. His report concluded that the incident was not an intentional act of racial hostility, and no further actions were recommended. However, the report did find that the art students failed to follow all of the existing rules in place for an exterior art display, and the lack of forthrightness by the group leader concerning his knowledge of the noose as a racial symbol complicated the situation. The students have accepted responsibility for the impact of their actions on our community, and they apologized for the emotional stress they caused.

Finally, the report noted that information gathered after the incident indicated ?that there was an overall lack of understanding of the historical context of nooses in our society.? In the United States, the noose has long been a symbol of racial hatred and violence, and recent incidents such as what occurred in Jena, Louisiana, have heighted contemporary sensitivities to this despicable tradition, especially in the African-American community. Unfortunately, many others in our community appear not to be aware of or understand the intimidating symbolic power of the noose. Thus, the incident sparked a robust exchange among faculty, staff, and students about the power of the noose as a symbol, the rights of free speech and expression, and also the responsibilities of artists to understand the contexts and controversies that surround the symbols they use in their art.

The Art Department also launched its own review of its procedures for the supervision, installation, and presentation of classroom projects. The general intent of the existing rules, and in the newly refined protocols, is to prescribe the manner in which students may exercise full artistic freedom without compromising the well-being of others in the community. The refined procedures are designed to ensure that public exhibits are placed in appropriate areas, and with proper identification, so that the broader community is not unwillingly confronted by displays that undermine their sense of personal security. It is critical to note that my condemnation of the incident was not about the art itself, but about the careless way in which such emotionally-charged symbols of hatred were left unattended and unidentified in a public space. While it is certainly true that the noose has other symbolic meanings (which the students focused on), its history in this country is overwhelmingly related to its extension of hatred and intimidation. It is reasonable and appropriate to expect that to be broadly understood.

Racial understanding and sensitivity are not achieved in a single step, but by a long-term comprehensive commitment. The University must, and will, continue to take aggressive steps to improve the climate on this campus. We have already taken steps to improve the climate and many more are in various stages of development, some of which include:

? The Center for American and World Cultures has created a teaching resource webpage on the history of the noose in America, designed to educate and respond to the incident itself.

? The Art Department has adopted a guideline for Outdoor Installation Procedures specifically designed for student projects to ensure that both the artists? rights and the viewers? rights are protected.

? A new Campus Climate Survey will be undertaken in April. This periodic random sample survey of faculty, staff, and students is designed to measure the climate of diversity on the Oxford and regional campuses. It will identify both where we have made progress and areas where we must redouble our efforts to ensure that our community is welcoming and inclusive.

? The Office of Equity and Equal Opportunity (OEEO) is completing the acquisition of a customized on-line sexual harassment and discrimination education program. Beginning July 1, 2008, this education will be mandatory for all new employees. The program will also be used by OEEO to educate current employees.

? In the Office of Student Affairs, opportunities for student dialogues (called ?Let?s Talk Dialogues? ) exist through the Office of Diversity Affairs, and discussions about issues of inclusion exist via social justice initiatives in Residence Life communities (e.g. Tunnel of Oppression).

? The Liberal Education Committee continues to examine ways in which we can infuse student learning outcomes for diversity across the Miami Plan. The University?s Multi-Cultural Council, ably led this past year by Dr. Sally Lloyd, Interim Associate Vice President for Institutional Diversity, has been identifying strategic initiatives to improve the climate for diversity.

? I have appointed Dr. Christine Taylor, our first-ever Associate Vice President for Institutional Diversity, to coordinate and lead campus diversity initiatives.

Both the content and context of a Miami education are shaped by the students, faculty, and staff who come to Miami University to study and live in the community we create as a result of our interactions. Intellectual engagement is maximized by embracing diverse and multifaceted points of view and life experiences in an environment that must be open and welcoming to all. There will be moments when our sense of community will be challenged, as in the case of this incident. We must not allow these incidents to divide us further, but rather, we must resolve to experience these events as critical learning opportunities. These are moments when we can, and must, discover more about who we are, our history, contemporary issues, and what we can do to create not only a better university, but a more just, a more inclusive, a more supportive world.

Free speech zones for art, basically.

It's amusing that when this "incident" happened, there was a discussion in a class in which the question was asked "what is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of a noose" and I raised my hand first and said "capital punishment" and it wasn't the response that the professor and some other students wanted. It apparently wasn't the PC response that is based in the false notion that the noose is inseparable from racism in American culture. There was actually the insinuation that I was lying.

Frankly, the first things that came to mind, in order, were film-based: old Westerns (capital punishment) and The Children's Hour (suicide). I guess I'm an evil race-baiting liar, like that student who created the display (according to Hodge) because the first thing that didn't occur to me was racism. If it would have been crossed burning on a lawn, then, yes... I would have said racism right away.

And, rather than focus on the opportunity for education this display presented, Hodge and others chose to attack the messenger (particularly initially) with punitive character-based assumptions and possible penalties. When members of the black students organization did an inside job on there room and passed it off as a racist attack years ago (prompting a huge demonstration in which some of them got megaphones and stopped traffic), I was out in the rain standing (on the sidewalk) in solidarity against racism. This time, though, I wasn't about to condemn artists for provoking thought and dialogue.

Of course people know that Hodge has behaved this way because of his position as chief spokesman for the university. The bigger lesson for students, artistic or not, is that free speech is truly an illusion. Those in the know realize he is just a person filling a role. As Shakespeare said about the actors who play many parts...
 
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