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*PIC* For those who say: "Macs don't Crash"

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Originally posted by: drag
Maybe I am out of step here but this is what I've read. Maybe I misunderstand.

XNU's BSD component uses FreeBSD as the primary reference codebase (although some code might be traced to other BSDs). Darwin 7.x (Mac OS X 10.3.x) uses FreeBSD 5.x. As mentioned before, BSD runs not as an external (or user-level) server, but is part of the kernel itself. Some aspects that BSD is responsible for include:

* process model
* user ids, permissions, basic security policies
* POSIX API, BSD style system calls
* TCP/IP stack, BSD sockets, firewall
* VFS and filesystems (see Mac OS X Filesystems for details)
* System V IPC
* crypto framework
* various synchronization mechanisms

Note that XNU has a unified buffer cache but it ties in to Mach's VM.

XNU uses a synchronization abstraction (built on top of Mach mutexes) called funnels to serialize access to the BSD portion of the kernel. The kernel variables pointing to these funnels have the _flock suffix, such as kernel_flock and network_flock. When Mach initializes the BSD subsystem via a call to bsd_init(), the first operation performed is the allocation of funnels (the kernel funnel's state is set to TRUE). Thereafter*snip*
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I don't think I fully understand that. 😛

Everything I had read previously said it was a modified mach kernel with FreeBSD userland. I guess the only way to know for sure is to dig through the src. 😉
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
I would personally try to figure out what's causing your trouble and go from there. Mac's are build from a *NIX kernel, which makes them more stable than a M$ box. Like other have said nothing is inmune to a crash, you just to figure out how they work, so they won't crash again. If I had to choice a computer with an OS for me, my first choice would be Linux, you just can't get anything better than it. I love the flexibility and freedom that comes with *NIX, If you had a coat that fit you perfectly and make you feel cozy, would you use anything else?
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That would be a mighty pretty speech there, if Mac OS X was built on a *nix kernel. 😉
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Thanks. If I'm incorrect if you look in the following website http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#10 if you scrool to the end, it says in the year "1999" that Mac OS X is related to a *nix kernel. *nix is not a specific kernel, but more like a horny father, who had a whole bunch of children, and before you know it you can't count the relatives with all the thumbs in your hand 😉
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I've seen the tree before. It's not a *nix kernel. It's based on MACH. The userland is from FreeBSD.

It's kind of like when the cuffs don't match the collar. Blonde on top, brunette on bottom. It doesn't make much sense, but it's still good.
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lol, sounds like Mac OS X is a transvesty. 😉


Note: I mean no offense, by my post. I don't have anything against gays, or lesbians, it just seemed like a funny comment to add.
 
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
I would personally try to figure out what's causing your trouble and go from there. Mac's are build from a *NIX kernel, which makes them more stable than a M$ box. Like other have said nothing is inmune to a crash, you just to figure out how they work, so they won't crash again. If I had to choice a computer with an OS for me, my first choice would be Linux, you just can't get anything better than it. I love the flexibility and freedom that comes with *NIX, If you had a coat that fit you perfectly and make you feel cozy, would you use anything else?
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That would be a mighty pretty speech there, if Mac OS X was built on a *nix kernel. 😉
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Thanks. If I'm incorrect if you look in the following website http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#10 if you scrool to the end, it says in the year "1999" that Mac OS X is related to a *nix kernel. *nix is not a specific kernel, but more like a horny father, who had a whole bunch of children, and before you know it you can't count the relatives with all the thumbs in your hand 😉
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I've seen the tree before. It's not a *nix kernel. It's based on MACH. The userland is from FreeBSD.

It's kind of like when the cuffs don't match the collar. Blonde on top, brunette on bottom. It doesn't make much sense, but it's still good.
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lol, sounds like Mac OS X is a transvesty. 😉


Note: I mean no offense, by my post. I don't have anything against gays, or lesbians, it just seemed like a funny comment to add.
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I think it's just confused.
 
Originally posted by: HappyCracker
Apple says it doesn't
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Um.. Well that's what we call "advertisement". Ever heard of it? When XP came out Bill said that it wouldn't crash, and I didn't beleive him then either.

And in it's "as arived" form, it doesn't crash. Actually.

It's when people mess around with it and use programs that do iffy things during the install is when you end up having problem like this.

You see you have this thing that your brain does, it's called "thinking". Try it sometime. (just kidding mostly, just don't troll we all know how full-of-shit Apple is sometimes.)
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: drag
(just kidding mostly, just don't troll we all know how full-of-shit marketing people are sometimes.)
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Fixed. 😉
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Ya. I swear I put that there in the first place, but the forums must of stripped it when I posted it. Must of been a problem parsing the () stuff in that JRUN stuff...

Umm, Ya. That's it.

Not me being tired and a moron. NO that's not it. I'd NEVER be like that!
 
Hey guys,

I think its bull when someone says "Macs dont crash." Even though my mac is the most reliable computer I have ever used, It has locked up on me a couple of times. Man do I get pissed off when that happens. The Finder locked up on me like 3 times, and I had to turn off the computer by the power button. And I only had 1 kernal Panic, which was last week after the security update.

I do own 3 PC's and my mac is more reliable then all of them put together. 🙂 That is why my mac is my main machine. 🙂 🙂
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
lol. I made this zombie. Sorry. I'm new. 🙂 lol. i was just bored
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If I wasn't a Mac user I would have flamed you. 😉
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Were I the first one in, I would have flamed you, however I will defer to n0cmonkey's decision and refrain.


I still remember my post from 3+ months ago! fscking D-LINK POS :|
 
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
lol. I made this zombie. Sorry. I'm new. 🙂 lol. i was just bored
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If I wasn't a Mac user I would have flamed you. 😉
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Were I the first one in, I would have flamed you, however I will defer to n0cmonkey's decision and refrain.


I still remember my post from 3+ months ago! fscking D-LINK POS :|
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I won't stop you. 😛

Just figured I can give _one_ newbie a break every once in a while. 😉
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
lol. I made this zombie. Sorry. I'm new. 🙂 lol. i was just bored
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If I wasn't a Mac user I would have flamed you. 😉
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Were I the first one in, I would have flamed you, however I will defer to n0cmonkey's decision and refrain.


I still remember my post from 3+ months ago! fscking D-LINK POS :|
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I won't stop you. 😛

Just figured I can give _one_ newbie a break every once in a while. 😉
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Sometimes the "i would have, but i won't" method hurts the most. 😉

besides, i don't get to hide behind an Elite Member and spew forth flame indirectly very often.
 
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