Physx Hack 220GT, 5850 and mATX

[Richard.Cross]

Hi. I recently put the order in (still waiting for it to arrive) for my computer parts that I stated I was going to buy in the GenHard Forum, now I was wondering if the 220GT card would fit with the 5850 and microatx board?

Here are links to the parts:

Palit NE2T2200FHD51 GeForce GT 220

GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H

POWERCOLOR AX5850

Antec Six Hundred

I know I would have to use GenL's hack to get it to work, also will the pci-e 2.0 4x be good enough for the 220gt to act as a physx card?

 

[ViRGE]

Yes, PCIe 4x is fine as a PhysX card; that's the minimum required for NVIDIA certification. Personally I would be more worried about the GT220 not having enough computational power to be an effective PhysX card.

 

[Richard.Cross]

Yes, PCIe 4x is fine as a PhysX card; that's the minimum required for NVIDIA certification. Personally I would be more worried about the GT220 not having enough computational power to be an effective PhysX card.

Thank you, but do you know if it will fit also in a mATX board with a 5850?

Also I saw some benchmark under an X58 and a 5870 with 220 setup and the 220 seemed to hold up.

Here is the link

 

[toyota]

get a gt240 or 9800gt for a physx card.

 

[Phil1977]

Cards will fit just fine and performance will also be fine...

You can even fit another PCI card if you like (sound card if you have one...)

 

[mm2587]

not sure why you think it wouldn't fit in the board? it has the slots for it. none of the chipset coolers are especially tall. There's a pci slot between the two pci-express slots. What exactly are you asking?

 

[Richard.Cross]

not sure why you think it wouldn't fit in the board? it has the slots for it. none of the chipset coolers are especially tall. There's a pci slot between the two pci-express slots. What exactly are you asking?

Exactly that, I do not own a 5xxx series and this would be my first ati so I did not know how big it would be, also I never owned an mATX board so I did not know how bunched together things would be.

 

[blanketyblank]

I agree if you're paying that much for the 220 you might as well get a 9800GT for $75.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-288-_-Product

Hmm noticed you already ordered. well if you can't cancel it will probably fit and work for you. In my experience not much difference between MicroATX or ATX in terms of slot spacing since it's pretty much standardized to fit in cases. You basically get less slots and if you get a good video card like the 5850 which is dual slot you basically can't add any PCI cards. Maybe just 1, but not recommended.
Otherwise you should be fine no matter what video cards you get assuming you have the power for them.

 

[Richard.Cross]

I agree if you're paying that much for the 220 you might as well get a 9800GT for $75.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-288-_-Product

It's $75 after rebate, I can't really go even another $20 up, is there a reason why I should not use a 220gt for physx?

Hmm noticed you already ordered. well if you can't cancel it will probably fit and work for you. In my experience not much difference between MicroATX or ATX in terms of slot spacing since it's pretty much standardized to fit in cases. You basically get less slots and if you get a good video card like the 5850 which is dual slot you basically can't add any PCI cards. Maybe just 1, but not recommended.
Otherwise you should be fine no matter what video cards you get assuming you have the power for them.

I ordered everything except the 220GT a few days ago the 220gt I wanted to know the answer to this question before I did, and in the end for psu I went with the Corsair 650TX, will that be enough for the additional 220 card?

 

[toyota]

It's $75 after rebate, I can't really go even another $20 up, is there a reason why I should not use a 220gt for physx?



I ordered everything except the 220GT a few days ago the 220gt I wanted to know the answer to this question before I did, and in the end for psu I went with the Corsair 650TX, will that be enough for the additional 220 card?

overall the gt220 will not make that great of a physx card. if I used one with my gtx260 I could actually get worse performance in some cases then just letting my gtx260 do both graphics and physx. a gt240 or 9800gt would be the lowest I would recommend for physx. to be honest I would not even fool with a dedicated card at all for physx. IMO its not worth the hassle or cost just for a few weak effects in the 3 or 4 games that actually use hardware physx.

 

[blanketyblank]

Well the power of your dedicated physx card does make a difference in your minimums.
Check out this roundup of physx cards to see the difference the card you use makes. The GTS 220 is a much slower card than any of the ones used in this benchmark though (most of them except the 280 and 295 are based off of the g92 chip in the 250). I'd say the 220 is roughly on par with the 8600 card.
http://jkamassociates.com:8880/PhysX/index.htm

Also although that 9800gt is after rebate $75 is actually pretty common now for a 9800gt as opposed to a 250 (despite being the same chipset and having fairly similar performance).
My local bestbuy happens to be selling the 9800GT for that price.

You could also look at other cards like the 9600GSO. Not sure if the memory on this one will be a problem, but it's only $40 AR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-133-_-Product
I should mention I think this will be faster since 9600 GSOs are based off of the same g92 core as the 8800/9800/250.

 

[toyota]

Well the power of your dedicated physx card does make a difference in your minimums.
Check out this roundup of physx cards to see the difference the card you use makes. The GTS 220 is a much slower card than any of the ones used in this benchmark though (most of them except the 280 and 295 are based off of the g92 chip in the 250). I'd say the 220 is roughly on par with the 8600 card.
http://jkamassociates.com:8880/PhysX/index.htm

Also although that 9800gt is after rebate $75 is actually pretty common now for a 9800gt as opposed to a 250 (despite being the same chipset and having fairly similar performance).
My local bestbuy happens to be selling the 9800GT for that price.

You could also look at other cards like the 9600GSO. Not sure if the memory on this one will be a problem, but it's only $40 AR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-133-_-Product
I should mention I think this will be faster since 9600 GSOs are based off of the same g92 core as the 8800/9800/250.

that 48sp 9600gso would be no better than the 48sp gt220.

 

[blanketyblank]

that 48sp 9600gso would be no better than the 48sp gt220.

didn't realize they cut the sps when they cut the memory. Well I guess it is still close to $20 cheaper.

 

[thilanliyan]

Hacking the PhysX card to work with your ATI is not worth the effort IMO. I used a 4870 with a 8800GT for PhysX and I found the games that used hardware PhysX just didn't utilize it that well to make it worth the extra effort.

 

[thilanliyan]

Hacking the PhysX card to work with your ATI is not worth the effort IMO. I used a 4870 with a 8800GT for PhysX and I found the games that used hardware PhysX just didn't utilize it that well to make it worth the extra effort.

 

[Lonyo]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/evga-gtx275-coop-physx_5.html

This has a review of the 275GTX Co-Op (has a 9800GPU on board for PhysX) and compares it to using a 275GTX with 220GT for PhysX, and for the most part it's sufficient, but you can see some games, such as Darkest of Days, where the 220GT is holding back performance. But given the number of games which use PhysX, it's not really a $55 feature.

 

[Keysplayr]

that 48sp 9600gso would be no better than the 48sp gt220.

If you're referring to the 9600GSO in my benchmarks in the above link, that is a 96 shader 9600GSO. Not a 48 shader GSO.

 

[ViRGE]

Exactly that, I do not own a 5xxx series and this would be my first ati so I did not know how big it would be, also I never owned an mATX board so I did not know how bunched together things would be.

I've gone ahead and done a quick & dirty drawing of how much space the 5850 (red box), and a single-slot card like the GT 220 (green box) would take. It's likely that the 5850 would actually extend a bit farther back than what that image shows, and the length of a single-slot card like the GT 220 can vary quite a bit.

 

[toyota]

If you're referring to the 9600GSO in my benchmarks in the above link, that is a 96 shader 9600GSO. Not a 48 shader GSO.

I was referring to the one that blanketyblank linked to at newegg.