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Photoshop experts help me out

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JSFLY

Golden Member
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Please tell me if the guy in the red shirt is really in the picture or if he was digitally added in there.

One person seems to think so with this argument:

"Notice the distinct blur lines where the red shirt meets the background. That's not present in Tim's section and a clear indication of editing. Always a dead giveaway.
A good fake but a fake still."

Another disagrees saying:

"I've done photoediting for years, and I honestly can't tell what you're looking at. It's blurry, but you've also zoomed in quite a bit. Even Sylvia's hand is pretty feathered towards the edges."

A third also thinks its photoshopped:

"/methinks it is feathered around that hand because it is not Tim's. Two fan pics, one with a hand around Fedor and the other of Tim.
There is little/no feathering around any part of Tim in the pic. All of it occurs around Fedor. He was imposed on the Tim BG."

Now I'm no photoshop expert so I have no idea what they are talking about, but I know some of you guys are. Please tell me if the picture is real or faked.

Thank you.
 
My conclusion is that it's photoshopped, but a very good chop job. I base this conclusion on my observations that "Red Shirt" has a more blurry face than "Black Shirt". Also, what is between Red Shirt's left arm (our right) and his body?
 
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
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I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
 
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
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I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
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At first glance, no, and even after further inspection no, but you never really know.

The face of "red" is actually just as blurry as the face of "black," even though it looks blurrier because there are less defining lines on "red's" face. Also, the feathering around the guy's pointed finger hand is probably just minor CA due to the camera used. Any time there is stark contrast between two edges, there is a high chance of CA, especially with cheap point-and-shoots like the camera that was used.
 
Originally posted by: Aflac
My conclusion is that it's photoshopped, but a very good chop job. I base this conclusion on my observations that "Red Shirt" has a more blurry face than "Black Shirt". Also, what is between Red Shirt's left arm (our right) and his body?
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Good spot, I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. That area between the arm and shirt looks like some red/black Gradient that doesn't belong there. If anything it should either be black from the window, blue from the window frame or gray from the wall.
 
Originally posted by: Jinru
Originally posted by: Aflac
My conclusion is that it's photoshopped, but a very good chop job. I base this conclusion on my observations that "Red Shirt" has a more blurry face than "Black Shirt". Also, what is between Red Shirt's left arm (our right) and his body?
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Good spot, I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. That area between the arm and shirt looks like some red/black Gradient that doesn't belong there. If anything it should either be black from the window, blue from the window frame or gray from the wall.
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Plus, is it just my small laptop screen or is there a strange black halo around Red Shirt's head? It doesn't seem to match with the rest of the glass background.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
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I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
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At first glance, no, and even after further inspection no, but you never really know.

The face of "red" is actually just as blurry as the face of "black," even though it looks blurrier because there are less defining lines on "red's" face. Also, the feathering around the guy's pointed finger hand is probably just minor CA due to the camera used. Any time there is stark contrast between two edges, there is a high chance of CA, especially with cheap point-and-shoots like the camera that was used.
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What's a CA?
 
Compression Artifact.

Nothing I can see when enhancing brightness & contrast and zooming in could not be explained by simple jpeg compression. I think it's genuine.
 
Thanks for your imputs guys! Any 10+ years experience photoshoppers out there wanna chime in that would be great.

As for a definitive answer.... I'm still looking for one!


dennifloss are you 100% sure its real? What about some of the things other ppl have been saying to the contrary?
 
me thinks PHOTOSHOPPED...although it was fairly well done! i can see the red streaks on the black shirt. also, something tells me the guy in black was pointing to someone taller (than the guy in red)--'cause right above the shorter guy's head, there's a lighter area (kinda looks like a glare, but it was probably just "fixed" to look like a glare) & the taller guy's finger wouldn't be that close to the shorter guy's chin/face if he was truly standing there. two other weird things that i see--the hand on the shorter guy's shoulder could very well be someone else's hand (otherwise they're standing very close to one another, which can only mean one thing, ahem)....and then the left leg of the taller guy's jeans kinda disappears, but if you look at his right leg, it's pretty wide. nice try to whomever tried their magic with photoshop.
 
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
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I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
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I'm a photo retouching artist and have been for several years. One of the things I do is swap heads and bodies to and from photos when people want certain family members in a picture that they weren't present for, or didn't like the expression/posture, etc.

That in mind, if the job is done by an experienced retoucher, and/or the quality is low enough (ie, printed relatively small, or digital but low-quality like the picture you posted), you really should not be able to tell. And, if someone took the picture of the guy in the red shirt for the purpose of 'chopping him in there (posed him just right, etc.), it wouldn't be very hard to make it indiscernible from reality.
 
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
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I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
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I'm a photo retouching artist and have been for several years. One of the things I do is swap heads and bodies to and from photos when people want certain family members in a picture that they weren't present for, or didn't like the expression/posture, etc.

That in mind, if the job is done by an experienced retoucher, and/or the quality is low enough (ie, printed relatively small, or digital but low-quality like the picture you posted), you really should not be able to tell. And, if someone took the picture of the guy in the red shirt for the purpose of 'chopping him in there (posed him just right, etc.), it wouldn't be very hard to make it indiscernible from reality.
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Thank you very much for your input. Insightful indeed, but if you were to make a judgement call based on this picture, would you say its hacked or real? Or would your answer still be can't tell?

Also I know for a fact the guy in the red shirt did not pose for the expressed purpose of photo chopping.
 
Originally posted by: opticalmace
Looks real to me. The flash @ night just makes his shirt look a little 'different' from normal IMO.
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I've seen some cameras that have difficutly with bright reds.
Also it appears they used the night shot mode, which will use the flash but leave the shutter open for a little bit longer. This way it can pickup some of the background ambient light.
If the guy in red was moving his head this might explain why he appears a little blurry.
 
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
Click to expand...


I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
Click to expand...

I'm a photo retouching artist and have been for several years. One of the things I do is swap heads and bodies to and from photos when people want certain family members in a picture that they weren't present for, or didn't like the expression/posture, etc.

That in mind, if the job is done by an experienced retoucher, and/or the quality is low enough (ie, printed relatively small, or digital but low-quality like the picture you posted), you really should not be able to tell. And, if someone took the picture of the guy in the red shirt for the purpose of 'chopping him in there (posed him just right, etc.), it wouldn't be very hard to make it indiscernible from reality.
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Thank you very much for your input. Insightful indeed, but if you were to make a judgement call based on this picture, would you say its hacked or real? Or would your answer still be can't tell?

Also I know for a fact the guy in the red shirt did not pose for the expressed purpose of photo chopping.
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How do you know? Is that guy YOU? 😛

Well, I looked at it a bit in PS...there's a few things that tipped me off to it being a fake. However, it's always possible that I'm misinterpreting those signs -- the pic is just too small to tell for sure. But if I had to guess, I'd say at least something having to do with the guy in the red shirt is not real, and has been digitally altered. Or completely 'chopped. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Compression Artifact.

Nothing I can see when enhancing brightness & contrast and zooming in could not be explained by simple jpeg compression. I think it's genuine.
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No that's not what I meant. CA in photographic terms is Chromatic Aberration.
 
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: LordMaul
Originally posted by: JSFLY
Originally posted by: Mrvile
It's going to be really hard to argue that something is not chopped, since you can technically do anything with photoshop, but whoever did it is very good at it.
Click to expand...


I always thought that skilled photoshop users could always tell if a photo is chopped based on tell tale signs. If so then in your opinion is this photo chopped?
Click to expand...

I'm a photo retouching artist and have been for several years. One of the things I do is swap heads and bodies to and from photos when people want certain family members in a picture that they weren't present for, or didn't like the expression/posture, etc.

That in mind, if the job is done by an experienced retoucher, and/or the quality is low enough (ie, printed relatively small, or digital but low-quality like the picture you posted), you really should not be able to tell. And, if someone took the picture of the guy in the red shirt for the purpose of 'chopping him in there (posed him just right, etc.), it wouldn't be very hard to make it indiscernible from reality.
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Thank you very much for your input. Insightful indeed, but if you were to make a judgement call based on this picture, would you say its hacked or real? Or would your answer still be can't tell?

Also I know for a fact the guy in the red shirt did not pose for the expressed purpose of photo chopping.
Click to expand...

How do you know? Is that guy YOU? 😛

Well, I looked at it a bit in PS...there's a few things that tipped me off to it being a fake. However, it's always possible that I'm misinterpreting those signs -- the pic is just too small to tell for sure. But if I had to guess, I'd say at least something having to do with the guy in the red shirt is not real, and has been digitally altered. Or completely 'chopped. 🙂
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Well I don't know either gentlemen personally but I do know who they both are and trust me, the guy in the shirt would NEver so such a thing.

Thank you for your professional opinion. This is why I love AToT! I will take your opinion and coupled with my knowledge of the two men, consider this photo fake! Case closed.... Now I can sleep at night.
 
Why do you think its retouched? I see the same glare on the sunglasses as the window trim, and what looks like a blur/dust on the lens in a couple of places. I played with the levels, hue, sat, etc and didn't find anything strange. That is a UFC fighter isn't it?
 
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