Photo's of the DHL plane hit over Baghdad

Daaavo

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I received an email from a friend of mine that contained an attachment with a few photo's of the DHL plane that I had't seen before. Some of you aviation buffs might find them interesting.

Here's the text:


Subject: Testimony to an A300B4


To those of you who are wondering what happened to the DHL A300B4 coming out of Baghdad last Saturday, take a look. Aircraft was hit at 8000 FT, lost ALL hydraulics and therefore had no flight controls, actually did a missed approach using only engine thrust and eventually (after about 16mins) landed heavily on runway 33L at Baghdad. This was fortunate because with no steering the aircraft veered of the runway to the left, had they landed on 33R veering to the left would have taken them straight into the fire station. The aircraft then travelled about 600 metres through soft sand taking out a razor wire fence in the process, see LH engine pic, and came to rest almost at the bottom of the sloping area between the runway and a taxiway. All three crew evacuated safely down the second slide, the first one tore on the razor wire. I flew in with a team on Tuesday in one of our Metros and some special equipment we'd had made locally in Bahrain and some provided by Airbus. Using a USAF D9 Caterpillar pulling a 100 metre cable fitted to the back end of each bogie and a nice new aircraft pushback tug with a towbar on the nose gear, we were able to remove the aircraft just on dusk on Tuesday night and towed it to an Iraqi Airways graveyard on one side of the terminal. We stayed overnight in the USAF camp on the airport and went back to the aircraft on Wednesday morning to allow the insurance survey to be completed and then secure the aircraft. Basically, LH engine rotates in a fashion, has ingested lots of razor wire and is knackered. RH engine has seized, probably from ingesting loads of sand at maximum reverse thrust and inlet cowl has unacceptable lip damage, probably from hitting the razor wire fence posts. The No 8 axle appears to be cracked as the wheel sits at an odd angle. The bulk of the damage is the LH wing. About 3 metres of rear spar is missing in front of the outboard flap, the wing has bulged upwards and downwards where the initial explosion appears to have occurred, one O/B flap track is hanging in the breeze and one has a small piece of flap still attached, the rest of the flap is nonexistent. The pics show the huge crack that has occurred to the rear spar inboard of where the spar has burnt away, possibly from loads on the wing during the landing process. The front The point of entry pics show where a projectile entered Tank 1A, which was full of fuel, and, after it ignited, proceeded to burn away at the spar. The fuel tank ribs in the area directly in front of the O/B flap are burnt almost 50% through. The crew obviously did a fantastic job in getting the aircraft back on to the ground and one can only assume that it was most fortunate that they were not aware of the state of the wing as they could not see it from the cockpit. It also says a lot for the structure of the aircraft that it withstood the impact of the (whatever is finally determined to have hit it).

I'm sure there will be lots of other photos and videos flying around the net, but at least these ones are genuine. The worst part for us was the airport was shut down on Wednesday and we had to be driven in an armour-plated Landcruiser Troop Carrier from Baghdad to Balad, 60 miles to the north, from where we flew back to Bahrain in our Metro again. I trust you will all appreciate just how lucky these guys were.




And here's the photo's.


 

beer

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Surprised the whole plane wasn't brought down with that extent of damage.
 

Amorphus

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Surprised the whole plane wasn't brought down with that extent of damage.

only a little bit of one wing was brought down, its still possible to compensate for the lack of lift on the left side.
 

PowerMacG5

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Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Surprised the whole plane wasn't brought down with that extent of damage.

only a little bit of one wing was brought down, its still possible to compensate for the lack of lift on the left side.

Yeah, which is why the plane was pulling to the left.
 

tnitsuj

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That should still be flyable. The Airbus aircraft have more automated flight control systems that would automatically trim the aircraft to compensate for something like that than most Boeings.
 

Mr N8

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They were hit at 8000 feet? What / who hit it?

I hadn't heard anything about this. That pilot deserves a huge amount of respect for landing that plane safely.
 

DBL

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I was under the impression that S2A missiles blow up close enough to their target to cause damage. These pictures seem to suggest that the missile actually breached the wing before exploding. Anybody have any insight on this?
 

tnitsuj

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It was an SA-7 ( I think), and those could punch right through the skin of that plane before the fuse sets it off.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: tkdkid
Using only engine thrust?! That is most amazing pilot in the world.

yeah, really. I would've grabbed the crew chutes and gotten my 2 or 3 buddies and I out of there. Cargo flights are nice like that - you can actually USE your parachutes.
 

LordMorpheus

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heh, yeah, landing using engine control is tuff.

This reminds me of trying to land damaged aircraft in IL-2:FB

I mean, you have lotsa holes in your wing, the aircraft is rolling that way, your rudder has been shot off, and your elevator control wires are cut. Your engine is putting out about 50% peak power, and the only things that still work are your airelons, your flaps, and your gear.

I've only landed a few A/C beat up that bad. Once you get down to landing speed with a damaged wing, the difference in lift becomes more apparent and your aircraft become nearly impossible to keep from snapping towards the damage.

I landed an He-111 using only engine power and flap controls before, but only once.
 

Yossarian

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Last week's Newsweek had a pic of the plane in flight with the wing on fire. They also had shots of the terrorists who fired the missiles. The reporter and photographer were basically told "come with us, we'll show you something" and watched as the plane was attacked. Crazy.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: tkdkid
Using only engine thrust?! That is most amazing pilot in the world.

yeah, really. I would've grabbed the crew chutes and gotten my 2 or 3 buddies and I out of there. Cargo flights are nice like that - you can actually USE your parachutes.

I work with a bunch of essentially Boeing 707 pilots, and they all were in awe of the guy's skills in landing that aircraft without any hydraulic control.

I was under the impression that S2A missiles blow up close enough to their target to cause damage. These pictures seem to suggest that the missile actually breached the wing before exploding. Anybody have any insight on this?

You're talking about proximity fuses which exist on most missiles, as opposed to contact fuses which are also common. Just a quick note, this was NOT an SA-2 because those are fired from prepared sites with significant support vehicles. They are also enormous missiles and would have blown the wing off at a minimum.

It was an SA-7 ( I think), and those could punch right through the skin of that plane before the fuse sets it off.

Never heard of an armor piercing surface to air missile, unless you're simply referring to the speed of impact denting/buckling the skin before the contact fuse sets off the warhead.
 

crab

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
That should still be flyable. The Airbus aircraft have more automated flight control systems that would automatically trim the aircraft to compensate for something like that than most Boeings.

Except its not as advanced as today's airbusses, and automation doesnt mean sh!t when theres no hydraulics to power anything...like United 232.

And, its pretty damn ignorant to claim a boeing is less likely of surviving such a thing...there arent too many videos of boeings playing lumberjack at airshows because of automation confusion.

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amnesiac

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Wow, that pilot deserves a medal. Seriously.

Also, what the hell are the terrists doing shooting at DHL planes?
 

SOFTWARE2ndComing

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now Boeing can bitching how good their plane is!
"See that sh!t, my plane got hit, still flying and landed safely. Buy my plane."

I will personally use these for marketing.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: SOFTWARE2ndComing
now Boeing can bitching how good their plane is!
"See that sh!t, my plane got hit, still flying and landed safely. Buy my plane."

I will personally use these for marketing.

That's not a Boeing. That's an Airbus A300.
 

Shockwave

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A Boeing passenger plane had full hydraulic failure in late 90's I think. Landed using only engine thrust, course the landing was a bit worse then that. Actually, alot, plane landed, rolled blew up and killed most of the people onboard. But, not the first time its had to be done.
Anyways, pretty damned impressive what a plane can take and still retain some semblence of flight.
 

Gravity

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Prolly a sam 6. The sam 18's are deadly. The pilot I spoke with said that it was landable but he wouldn't want to do it. He's answer was "countermeasures". One flare would distract that bogey.
 

crab

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Originally posted by: Shockwave
A Boeing passenger plane had full hydraulic failure in late 90's I think. Landed using only engine thrust, course the landing was a bit worse then that. Actually, alot, plane landed, rolled blew up and killed most of the people onboard. But, not the first time its had to be done.
Anyways, pretty damned impressive what a plane can take and still retain some semblence of flight.

It was a McDonnell Douglas DC10.