Photography question: How to get "more light"?

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Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah. Even that's pretty slow..

But it has to be pretty dark to require that low a shutter speed. I got some pics from the beach that I'm going to post in a few, and I was in the 1/800 - 1600 and f/4.8 - 8.0 @ ISO 50 range in many of them, because it was so bright...

But that's a good thing, especially for macros.
Uh, the beach has huge amounts of ambient light. If one is taking nature shots in the woods it's often necessary to open up the lens a lot more. Even with 400 speed film I tend to operate between F1.7 and F5.6 when shooting in the woods. If you want/need a high F-stop number in order to have a large depth of field then it's actually pretty easy to get into the 1/30 second range if you're not in direct sun. I can't imagine shooting hand-held in the woods with ASA 50 speed film.

ZV
 

lowfatbaconboy

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easier solutions than really expensive lenses
1. tripod
2. fill flash (note i said FILL flash)

with a DSLR you could just up the ISO
with SLR you could buy faster film or do a + exposure bias so the camera thinks it has faster film than it really does and you should be able to do faster shutter (thus less blur) then have the lab processes it with that exposure bias in mind (push processing) though this will add some grain but not much

i dunno if you can do something like that with the DSLR

next time try Photo.net
or
PhotoSig

edit: btw you should be able to shoot on 1/60th of a second just stick the elbow you are supporting the camera with into your hip/side and use that to steady yourself and pretend like you are shooting a gun(if you have ever shot one)
and breathe out and *click*
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah. Even that's pretty slow..

But it has to be pretty dark to require that low a shutter speed. I got some pics from the beach that I'm going to post in a few, and I was in the 1/800 - 1600 and f/4.8 - 8.0 @ ISO 50 range in many of them, because it was so bright...

But that's a good thing, especially for macros.
Uh, the beach has huge amounts of ambient light. If one is taking nature shots in the woods it's often necessary to open up the lens a lot more. Even with 400 speed film I tend to operate between F1.7 and F5.6 when shooting in the woods. If you want/need a high F-stop number in order to have a large depth of field then it's actually pretty easy to get into the 1/30 second range if you're not in direct sun. I can't imagine shooting hand-held in the woods with ASA 50 speed film.

ZV
Yes... I know.. :)
 

Ornery

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"Do you have one of those Speedlite flashes? Cuz I'm wondering how the pictures will look with such a flash. Not that I buy that Flash and the pictures still look so unnatural like they do with the normal flash."

'Speedlight' is made by Canon, and is sure to work perfectly with your camera, using TTL metering. It will only fire the flash for as long a duration as is required. It only adds as much light as needed. Plus, it syncs at faster shutter speeds. Sunpak may make a unit that will perform just as well, for less money, but that will take some research.

The flash won't look as natural, but the tradeoff is generally worth it. Besides, what's 'natural' about cars in a building under artificial light, anyway? :cool:
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: Ornery
"Do you have one of those Speedlite flashes? Cuz I'm wondering how the pictures will look with such a flash. Not that I buy that Flash and the pictures still look so unnatural like they do with the normal flash."

'Speedlight' is made by Canon, and is sure to work perfectly with your camera, using TTL metering. It will only fire the flash for as long a duration as is required. It only adds as much light as needed. Plus, it syncs at faster shutter speeds. Sunpak may make a unit that will perform just as well, for less money, but that will take some research.

The flash won't look as natural, but the tradeoff is generally worth it. Besides, what's 'natural' about cars in a building under artificial light, anyway? :cool:

Oh, that looks kinda "natural" to me :) but with my flash, some pics are way over exposed, etc. but I don't think the normal flash has that TTL metering :) Thanks for the info :)
 

GalvanizedYankee

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The use of a diffuser over the flash will soften it's effect and hot spots will not show.
A diffuser will not effect the operation of TTL metering. A big plus for me, in using a flash this way is the background
remains dark and the subject floats off the print.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
The use of a diffuser over the flash will soften it's effect and hot spots will not show.
A diffuser will not effect the operation of TTL metering. A big plus for me, in using a flash this way is the background
remains dark and the subject floats off the print.

how does a diffuser look like?
 

NogginBoink

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Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: ndee
I'm using a digital camera notfred.

crab: But then the pictures gets grainy, no?

Yes. You can either do that, use artificial light, or raise the shutter speed...if it creates blur, use a tripod or stay still. I've seen two-second hand held photos come out clear.

I'm really impressed! Cuz I can take a picture with 1/8 and it will get most of the time blurry.

You're probably not taking pictures correctly. (Seriously.)

Many people, when the press the shutter release button, move their whole hands... sometimes their whole upper body.

Train yourself so that when you take the picture, the only part of your body that moves is the last two segments of your index finger.

Your pictures will probably instantly improve.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: Mark R
Your options are:

1) Increase the ISO setting on the camera
2) Use a longer shutter speed (with appropiate stability aids - e.g. tripod, image stabilised lens)
3) Use a faster lens (e.g. Nikon 50 mm f 1.2)

Thanks for the info :) How small can the F-number get?

i beleive canon made a 50 mm F/1.0 but its rare as hell and costs thousands of $$4, Nikon made a 50 F/1.2 and it also wasent cheap, both make really nice 50 f/1.4 and 50 f/1.8, that are fairly cheap.

if you have a SLR digital or Film. Higher ISo will help at 800 there isnt all thet much grain at least on film i havent done it on digital. a fill flash from a speed light will also work great as someoen said, both Nikon and Canon make them, some are really expensive but you can find them on ebay or a used photo site like B&H or adorama for cheap
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
The use of a diffuser over the flash will soften it's effect and hot spots will not show.
A diffuser will not effect the operation of TTL metering. A big plus for me, in using a flash this way is the background
remains dark and the subject floats off the print.

how does a diffuser look like?

Its just a translucent,white plastic cup, that presses onto the flash unit. Kind of like a lamp shade in it's effect.



 

ndee

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Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: galvanizedyankee
The use of a diffuser over the flash will soften it's effect and hot spots will not show.
A diffuser will not effect the operation of TTL metering. A big plus for me, in using a flash this way is the background
remains dark and the subject floats off the print.

how does a diffuser look like?

Its just a translucent,white plastic cup, that presses onto the flash unit. Kind of like a lamp shade in it's effect.

ah I see :)
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Originally posted by: ndee
Originally posted by: crab
Originally posted by: ndee
I'm using a digital camera notfred.

crab: But then the pictures gets grainy, no?

Yes. You can either do that, use artificial light, or raise the shutter speed...if it creates blur, use a tripod or stay still. I've seen two-second hand held photos come out clear.

I'm really impressed! Cuz I can take a picture with 1/8 and it will get most of the time blurry.

You're probably not taking pictures correctly. (Seriously.)

Many people, when the press the shutter release button, move their whole hands... sometimes their whole upper body.

Train yourself so that when you take the picture, the only part of your body that moves is the last two segments of your index finger.

Your pictures will probably instantly improve.

And no breathing while you snap.
 

elektrolokomotive

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1. Find yourself some 60amp three phase power
2. Rent an Ascor 4kV sungun system
3. Put on your sunglasses
4. Fire away!!! 38,000 joules of light output should fix you problem.