Photographers - check out the new Apple iMacs

[Kaido]

http://www.apple.com/imac/design.html

21.5" @ 1920x1080 (16:9)
27" @ 2560x1440 (16:9)

There's no matte option, so you're getting a giant mirror, but if you can live with that...pretty nice screen

 

[ElFenix]

i never did understand why you would want a monitor that will last 5+ years built into a computer that will be obsolete and slow in 2.

do any of the apple cinema display work fully with PCs yet?

 

[TheDrake]

Yeah, I never understood that either. Heck, you cant even mount the darn thing to a wall. Many many reasons why apple only has 5-6% of the market in the US and IIRC its even less worldwide. Its always funny to me how they try to compete with microsoft, but they arent even in the same league.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i never did understand why you would want a monitor that will last 5+ years built into a computer that will be obsolete and slow in 2.

That is part of Apple's disposable computer design philosophy.

Throw it away and buy another Apple. Make Steve Jobs happy.

 

[ProfJohn]

Actually Mac's have a much longer shelf life than PCs.

I believe the typical PC is upgraded/replaced every two years while the typical Mac is every 3+ years.

Also, Mac's have a much better resale value. My 2 year old 20inch iMac should still be worth $500-600 or about half what I paid for it.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i never did understand why you would want a monitor that will last 5+ years built into a computer that will be obsolete and slow in 2.

do any of the apple cinema display work fully with PCs yet?

The 27" has a video input jack, so you can use it as a (really expensive) monitor.

Yup, you can get an adapter from Monoprice for the 24" LED Cinema displays. You're still buying a mirror tho

 

[shortylickens]

I swear when I saw this I thought it was a Black Dude/Free iPod thread.
Guess not, but am still not interested. I have not bought into the crap that Apple makes the best computer for photographer and movie makers.

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Actually Mac's have a much longer shelf life than PCs.

I believe the typical PC is upgraded/replaced every two years while the typical Mac is every 3+ years.

Also, Mac's have a much better resale value. My 2 year old 20inch iMac should still be worth $500-600 or about half what I paid for it.

every 2 yrs? by enthusiasts maybe. I have yet to meet someone besides enthusiast that have anything on <3yr cycle. And a good number of people are at least 4yrs.

Regardless, I tried to go into that mode... I didn't last long and my iMac went to my mother. I also can't stand the glossy screen.

But even more so... 16:9??? ugh... am I the only one who doesn't like to work like that? I have the 16:10 ratio to be a lot more pleasing. 16:9 is ok when it's a 30-32" monitor maybe.. but it just feels too short in the ~25" widescreen range.

 

[Eug]

Ordered the 27" Core i7. Need it for my Canon 7D.

 

[Deadtrees]

16:9 ratio. Glossy screen. Probably damn expensive though I haven't checked it. = Pass.

 

[troytime]

nice screen, but still not worth it.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Eug
Ordered the 27" Core i7. Need it for my Canon 7D.

You're living the dream, man :thumbsup:

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
I swear when I saw this I thought it was a Black Dude/Free iPod thread.
Guess not, but am still not interested. I have not bought into the crap that Apple makes the best computer for photographer and movie makers.

I can change my avatar if you'd like

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

On the contrary, most filmmakers I know are highly technical people, moreso than a lot of so-called nerds I know. Filmmakers are more on top of their gear than even most gamers I know - editing HD content requires massive horsepower! I've learned more from listening to podcasts about the RED workflows and such than I have in a long time, haha. They're ultra-nerds!

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: randomlinh
But even more so... 16:9??? ugh... am I the only one who doesn't like to work like that? I have the 16:10 ratio to be a lot more pleasing. 16:9 is ok when it's a 30-32" monitor maybe.. but it just feels too short in the ~25" widescreen range.

Get used to the 16:9 ratio since the PC monitor makers are following the lead of the TV industry and hitting 16:10. I prefer 16:10 as well. While we'll be able to find 16:10 monitors now and probably for the next 2-3 years it's likely in 5 years time that 16:10 monitors will be completely out of the market. Sad but true.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Yup, you can get an adapter from Monoprice for the 24" LED Cinema displays. You're still buying a mirror tho

so can you do any of the adjustments on them when used that way? iirc the cinema displays get adjusted from the computer rather than an on-screen display like PC monitors

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: randomlinh
But even more so... 16:9??? ugh... am I the only one who doesn't like to work like that? I have the 16:10 ratio to be a lot more pleasing. 16:9 is ok when it's a 30-32" monitor maybe.. but it just feels too short in the ~25" widescreen range.

Get used to the 16:9 ratio since the PC monitor makers are following the lead of the TV industry and hitting 16:10. I prefer 16:10 as well. While we'll be able to find 16:10 monitors now and probably for the next 2-3 years it's likely in 5 years time that 16:10 monitors will be completely out of the market. Sad but true.

i hate this trend. i rarely run out of space horizontally but vertically i could always use more.

 

[Eug]

I actually prefer 4:3... but would hate to use a 27" 4:3 screen. Neck strain galore...

 

[gar655]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

No. It's because Final Cut Pro is the defacto standard video editing tool for 90% of film makers and it doesn't run on Windows

Well maybe not 90%. I don't know. I pulled that number out of my @ss. But Final Cut Pro is the most widely used, especially by the independent studios and peeps on their own.

 

[troytime]

Originally posted by: gar655

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

No. It's because Final Cut Pro is the defacto standard video editing tool for 90% of film makers and it doesn't run on Windows

Well maybe not 90%. I don't know. I pulled that number out of my @ss. But Final Cut Pro is the most widely used, especially by the independent studios and peeps on their own.

50% in 2007 according to wiki.
but the reasoning still stands. a combination of the {false IMO} reputation of being better at editing photo/video, and being the only platform for the 'standard' software in professional video editing

 

[Eug]

Dunno if it's still true, but some of the pro photo shop reps I dealt with said it was easier to get proper colour matching with standard Mac laptops and Mac displays, if we're talking mainstream priced machines. Then again, Apple's Cinema Displays aren't exactly "mainstream priced", and the same reps sold a lot of Windows machines too, and got proper colour matching just fine. I guess they only sell very specific Windows configurations that they know will work with their usual products.

Final Cut Studio is not THE standard, but is one of the standards. So with Final Cut Studio you have half the industry buying just MacBook Pros, iMacs, and Mac Pros. Then you got 1 or 2 Windows standards using a mix of bazillion other Windows machines. So, in terms of brand recognizability, Apple is #1. It certainly doesn't hurt that much of the older equipment is built around Firewire, and Apple invented Firewire (and won an Emmy for it).

P.S. It's too bad Apple screwed Firewire over so badly, by charging so much for the royalties. I'm looking for a Firewire 800 hub, and they are very, very hard to find. And the few that exist are $$$. I'm tempted to just scrap all my Firewire enclosures and just stick with USB 2, and use my lone FW 800 port for the one FW 800 device I really want it for.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Eug
Dunno if it's still true, but some of the pro photo shop reps I dealt with said it was easier to get proper colour matching with standard Mac laptops...

Laptops, yes. They have some pretty nice screens. Though, they did screw up the original 13" macbook unibody and gave it a shitacular screen.

But otherwise, you can get decent displays from other vendors. And now, just use the damn apple display on a PC (though, I see more mac pros using dell ultrasharps..).

But I hate the whole argument of mac is better for video/photo/design work. These people don't even use color as a reasoning, just "because it's better" and it irks the hell out of me. I will give them Final Cut if they do video, but barely since you really want to run it on something like a mac pro, and that's just insanely priced.

And these people just basically use Adobe software.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: randomlinh
But I hate the whole argument of mac is better for video/photo/design work. These people don't even use color as a reasoning, just "because it's better" and it irks the hell out of me. I will give them Final Cut if they do video, but barely since you really want to run it on something like a mac pro, and that's just insanely priced.

And these people just basically use Adobe software.

Final Cut Studio should run extremely well on the 27" iMac (Core i5 or Core i7), especially if you have an external FW 800 hard drive.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: gar655

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

No. It's because Final Cut Pro is the defacto standard video editing tool for 90% of film makers and it doesn't run on Windows

Well maybe not 90%. I don't know. I pulled that number out of my @ss. But Final Cut Pro is the most widely used, especially by the independent studios and peeps on their own.

WHY is it the so-called "standard"? Because people use it? Why do they use it? Because its the standard.
Fucking brilliant.

They really, REALLY need to start teaching logic courses in kindergarden and keep going until the final year of college.

 

[Eug]

It seems stupid, but nonetheless it's true to an extent.

Why is Word the standard? Cuz people use it. Why do you use it? Cuz it's the standard.

I much prefer Apple's Keynote to MS's PowerPoint, but I still end up using PowerPoint a lot of the time, and all my main Macs have MS Office installed.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: randomlinh
But I hate the whole argument of mac is better for video/photo/design work. These people don't even use color as a reasoning, just "because it's better" and it irks the hell out of me. I will give them Final Cut if they do video, but barely since you really want to run it on something like a mac pro, and that's just insanely priced.

And these people just basically use Adobe software.

Final Cut Studio should run extremely well on the 27" iMac (Core i5 or Core i7), especially if you have an external FW 800 hard drive.

It'll run, then the next version of Final Cut needs more power. I dunno, I just could not get away from the fact I couldn't do upgrades. Like I couldn't pop in a new video card to make Aperture run faster, I was stuck. A Mac Pro introduces such a high cost...

I'm just more annoyed at the fact people in general don't give founded reasons for why they NEED a Mac and just CAN'T FUNCTION with a PC. If they prefer it, I don't really care. I like OS X. I like Apple's aesthetics. And if that's what ppl want, own up to it, don't give me some BS answer.

Anyway, this is beside the point. The iMac is sleek and cool looking, but dang it, give us back a matte and 16:10 option =)

Originally posted by: shortylickens
WHY is it the so-called "standard"? Because people use it? Why do they use it? Because its the standard.
Fucking brilliant.

They really, REALLY need to start teaching logic courses in kindergarden and keep going until the final year of college.

It's the standard because it was cheaper and easier than AVID. Apple seemingly was able to build a system that "just worked" and looked good. It just so happens Final Cut was good too... it got popular, used very widely... and a "standard" now. Maybe not in the sense of an ISO standard, but as explained, in the same sense of how Word is "standard"

 

[gar655]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: gar655

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Do you know why all those editors use Apple computers for their movies? Because the average film-maker knows as much about computers as the average geek knows about film making.

No. It's because Final Cut Pro is the defacto standard video editing tool for 90% of film makers and it doesn't run on Windows

Well maybe not 90%. I don't know. I pulled that number out of my @ss. But Final Cut Pro is the most widely used, especially by the independent studios and peeps on their own.

WHY is it the so-called "standard"? Because people use it? Why do they use it? Because its the standard.
Fucking brilliant.

They really, REALLY need to start teaching logic courses in kindergarden and keep going until the final year of college.

What exactly is your point? If it's to show you're an asshole. Then point made. And brilliantly.

Oh and it's kindergar"t"en. I went to school in a building not in a patch of dirt. Maybe it's you who should step in out of your patch of dirt and actually go to school. Moron.