phone line (dsl) 500 feet?

Geraldo8022

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I am going to build a new house that will be 500 feet off the road where the phone company lines pass. We will bring power in and I was going to put the phone line in the trench with the power line. Separated by at least a foot in the trench. And I will put the line in Schedule40 pvc. Do I need fiber optic or Cat 5 or what. I don't know, maybe the phone company will put the phone line in the trench.
Or should I just bag the hardwired and go with wireless. I like my dsl provider's service at current address. But I could live with Clearwire, I guess.

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Cogman

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You will need to talk to you phone company about this one. DSL has a range that it works in, and if you are too far away from a DSL transmitter you might not be able to get it (I have seen it go about 5 miles). If DSL isn't an option, talk with them and see what is for broadband. If you really like your company don't leave them :D. Also, stay away from wireless if you can (random outages/speeds higher lag ect).

As far as what cable goes in. That all depends on what service is available. If you can get fiber to the home, and your ISP provides a service, and you can afford it. Then go for it by all means. However, you need to realize that Fiber just can't be spliced into a line. You have to go back to the nearest hub or station, that can be very expensive (fiber splicers aren't cheap).

Again talk with you ISP. They will probably know the best option. Most likely it will be through a phone line or a coax cable that you get your internet.

And btw, this really isn't highly technical. This should go in the networking forum.
 

QuixoticOne

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Typically you'd be looking for cable rated for outdoors or underground use for a buried conduit run if only because it isn't uncommon for such conduits to still permit moisture / water / dirt into the conduit as they leak at the seals / ends, or as they're penetrated by roots / cracks, et. al.

If you're fairly certain that your conduit will remain sealed and dry (even with respect to dew / condensate) then of course you can use a lower grade cable for the run.

Usually the phone company will run a phone line to "the demarcation point" or the "terminal box" associated with the serviced structure on the property. Typically that is in a basement, outside the wall, or in such kind of location. This would be sort of ideal for you since they'd provide the cable and test / verify / maintain that the DSL and phone service worked all the way up to the exact demarcation point in the terminal box. Thus you'd get to not worry about the wire, and would be able to have them fix any wiring issue behind that point. The bad thing about moving the demarcation point out 500' into your property is just that the DSL line gets 500' longer which does slightly degrade the signal due to the added length, and in unusual circumstances could even prevent you getting DSL if you're just that tiny bit "over the distance limit" due to that added 1/10th mile (unlikely).

Sometimes the telephone company will refuse to run phone lines across your property out to your structure or will want to charge a possibly unreasonable fee to do it.

So to minimize distance you could run a DSL modem out to the edge of the property where the demarcation point may be forced or desired to be, assuming you have the necessary power, sealed enclosure, cable access, et. al. these. Then you could run ethernet back to your structure to get the internet access. Unfortunately 100 Mbit or 1000 Mbit ethernet commonly only extends 100 meters over unshielded twisted pair Cat 5 / Cat 6 cable, so you'd need a powered hub or switch near the middle of the link. Also that wouldn't solve the problem of getting the plain phone line for voice usage to your structure in parallel with the ethernet so what you'd do is use the spare pairs on the ethernet cable to carry the voice phone line signals after you've removed the DSL signal from the line by passing it through the DSL modem.
You'd need to run 100-Base-T and Cat-5 or Cat-6 cable to have a spare pair for the phone line alongside the ethernet inside one cable.

Of course if you can get fiber internet delivered and you like the service, go for it.

If you do remote the DSL modem and any networking equipment, provide a convenient relay / circuit breaker to the power for those devices so you can easily / frequently cut the power to them from inside the house. It isn't terribly uncommon that such devices will "crash" and need to be power-cycled every few hours / days / weeks to repair the problem.

I don't see much of a need to use wireless assuming that you're willing to make and maintain a trench and conduit for a phone line and possibly network cable. If you really wanted to avoid that you could just put the network hardware at the property edge and run an 802.11g or 802.11n wireless link with directional antennae at both ends (and possibly higher than usual power transmitters) to make the link. Of course you'd probably want to get your phone service over VOIP if you did that since you wouldn't be running a cable to the structure.

For cable based internet of course the same applies, see if they'll run the cable to your house, otherwise, get some underground conduit rated 75 ohm low loss cable and run it out to the edge.
 

Modelworks

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Most providers will go atleast 12000ft from the dslam before they deny service. Some go further.
Where is you nearest dslam ?
Pictures of what you are looking for :
http://www.pucitonline.com/userfiles/dslam.jpg

Also try calling your dsl provider and asking them where the nearest dslam is.

If you want to run cat6 cable I recommend this:
http://www.cat5ecableguy.com/inc/sdetail/92600

It is the same stuff a local telco uses and is filled with a gel just in case the insulation were cut it will not corrode.
 

racolvin

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You'd probably want to talk to someone more electrically inclined as well. Running data cable in parallel with power is a huge no-no when done inside a structure due to the potential for induced voltages from the power into the data, causing all sorts of nasty results from data corruption to damaged gear. I only know this from doing inside wiring though and there may be things going on with the power cables/conduit outside that would prevent this sort of thing.
 

Geraldo8022

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Ok, thanks all. So it appears that it is going to be doable and I can stay with the wired dsl service. The dslam is right there in front of the property so just the 500 feet. I will try to convince the provider to provide line and such as the power itself will be going to a transformer where we will stub off power for three additional parcels. We will subdivide in about five years. They should want those parcels to have land line service. I'll see if we can use the same trench and separate the power from phone line by a foot or two of earth and good conduit. I really appreciate having all of this expertise at my fingertips.
 

QuixoticOne

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Use oversize conduit for ease of future expansion, and leave a rope running through it so you CAN easily pull more cable + rope through without damaging existing wires in a tight conduit.

Consider running overcapacity cables (more pairs, more power capacity / circuits) than what is initially / minimally needed so you can expand the number of circuits in use without having to fish more cable through.

 

QuixoticOne

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PS even if you don't need more capacity, it is also not unfathomable that an existing cable will develop a fault in which case it's nice to be able to switch service over to an unused pair or at least be able to replace it easily.

And also leave enough slack in the system to accommodate shifts due to earth settling, earthquakes, stretching / trimming / repair during maintenance at the ends of the run, et. al. But not of course so much slack that the conduit is full of spaghetti and you can't pull a cable through or out if needed. Generally putting some big (much bigger than the conduit diameter) cable entrance / exit chambers at the ends of the conduit is a good idea so you can loosely roll up several feet of slack and store that material in the roomy chambers is a good idea, and also it gives you a place to work with your hands / tools comfortably without having to risk getting dirt / water / cable trimmings dropping into the conduit itself.
 

bruceb

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DSL can be up to 17,000 feet in total distance from the central office to the home before you run into problems.
As to your running cables in a pipe, I would suggest for Telephone you run a good Outdoor Grade CAT 5 / 6
thru the pipe as that will give 4, 2 wire pairs of copper. You should also pull in a run of RG6 for Cable TV and I would
ask the phone company IF / When FIOS may be coming to your block. You may want to run the Fiber Optic cable
now while it is easy to do.