Phoenix Suns to wear 'Los Suns' jerseys to protest Arizona's immigration law.

[dainthomas]

Do you have evidence the mirrored federal law has encouraged profiling?

Feds don't have as much spare time on their hands to be racist as Arizona sheriffs apparently do. They're too busy going after real criminals (the kind who hurt and kill people). Not just brown people with insufficient documentation.

 

[nobodyknows]

How many hispanics actually play in the NBA? Hell, how many white people do? The NBA is racist!

LOL! It's time to implement quotas!!

 

[spidey07]

Feds don't have as much spare time on their hands to be racist as Arizona sheriffs apparently do. They're too busy going after real criminals (the kind who hurt and kill people). Not just brown people with insufficient documentation.

The reason they did this was because of all the murders and kidnapping being done by illegal aliens. So they ARE going after the kind who hurt and kill people.

Oh, and FYI personal injury and murder are state crimes investigated by state police and prosecuted by state courts.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Feds don't have as much spare time on their hands to be racist as Arizona sheriffs apparently do. They're too busy going after real criminals (the kind who hurt and kill people). Not just brown people with insufficient documentation.

You guys need new material. The "Racists!" and "they're after 'brown' people" crap is not only completely false, but people who post such drivel are automatically discredited as wingnuts.

 

[dainthomas]

You guys need new material. The "Racists!" and "they're after 'brown' people" crap is not only completely false, but people who post such drivel are automatically discredited as wingnuts.

Then you should have no problem posting a link when the first white Canadian or European is turned over to ICE as a result of this law (when it goes into effect).

 

[spidey07]

Then you should have no problem posting a link when the first white Canadian or European is turned over to ICE as a result of this law (when it goes into effect).

I HIGHLY doubt that would make the news. The media would make sure it stayed buried.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Then you should have no problem posting a link when the first white Canadian or European is turned over to ICE as a result of this law (when it goes into effect).

And that's proof the law is racist? Bwahahaha.

"Brown people!!" "Racists!" Get real.

Give it a rest already. The law attacks a problem where in this particular state, probably 90%+ of the offenders are of hispanic origin. What on earth do you expect will happen?

The bottom line is this -- it is not a matter of race, no matter how much the main stream media wants to portray it that way. It is a matter of broken laws. If they find someone from Canadian or European origin here illegally, deport them just the same as you would an illegal immigrant from south of the border. This isn't a hard concept.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

pretty sure julesmaximus got pwned in his own thread.

 

[OutHouse]

Then you should have no problem posting a link when the first white Canadian or European is turned over to ICE as a result of this law (when it goes into effect).

i truly believe that you are the real racist in this whole thread.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

i truly believe that you are the real racist in this whole thread.

Anyone who uses the phrase "brown people" automatically loses all credibility in my opinion. Is that the new liberal "I'll make them feel guilty!" 'gotcha' phrase or something?

 

[xj0hnx]

Anyone who uses the phrase "brown people" automatically loses all credibility in my opinion. Is that the new liberal "I'll make them feel guilty!" 'gotcha' phrase or something?

The left is insanely racist, and prove it every chance they get. Everyone knows this.

 

[Nintendesert]

How can you compare subjugation of another human being to someone sneaking over the border and entering the country illegally?

And because immigration laws are so lax... many immigrants face a life of indentured servitude which is one step above slavery. If you enforce border protection, improve the guest worker program, and fine employers for hiring illegals... working conditions for a lot of people would improve. I thought the lefties would be in favor of this?

I'm hispanic, a lot of my family is from Mexico. And some of it was here illegally. That being said, what people are fighting for isn't for the betterment of the people coming here to work.

If that were the case, easing and expanding the number of guest workers and making it easier to come here would be desired.
Expanding the ability of people to be here legally gives Mexican people protection from being exploited.

People fighting to keep Mexican people here illegally are simply fighting to keep slaves. Illegals have no protections from exploitation and won't go to the authorities of they are being exploited.

There's a portion of this population in America that likes their cheap labor and gardeners and maids. They want slavery and in an unfortunate twist people that think they are standing up for human rights are instead standing up to keep the culture of illegal slavery going in America.

 

[nick1985]

Anyone who uses the phrase "brown people" automatically loses all credibility in my opinion. Is that the new liberal "I'll make them feel guilty!" 'gotcha' phrase or something?

I think so. I've seen that quite a big lately here...must be marching orders from the Dailykos or something

 

[Hacp]

I'm hispanic, a lot of my family is from Mexico. And some of it was here illegally. That being said, what people are fighting for isn't for the betterment of the people coming here to work.

If that were the case, easing and expanding the number of guest workers and making it easier to come here would be desired.
Expanding the ability of people to be here legally gives Mexican people protection from being exploited.

People fighting to keep Mexican people here illegally are simply fighting to keep slaves. Illegals have no protections from exploitation and won't go to the authorities of they are being exploited.

There's a portion of this population in America that likes their cheap labor and gardeners and maids. They want slavery and in an unfortunate twist people that think they are standing up for human rights are instead standing up to keep the culture of illegal slavery going in America.

No one is forcing the illegals to come here. The illegals can go back to their own country. If the mexicans don't want to be exploited, guess what? They should go back to Mexico and stop stealing American jobs.

 

[spidey07]

Why obama doesn't like the law.

 

[blackangst1]

No one is forcing the illegals to come here. The illegals can go back to their own country. If the mexicans don't want to be exploited, guess what? They should go back to Mexico and stop stealing American jobs.

Exactly. I know sovereignty is a dirty word to the liberal crowd, but to sneak here illegally, thus breaking the law, and then expect to to have the country's law protect you once you get here is fucking retarded. If you want the protection of the law that affords those here legally, then come here legally. Otherwise, all bets are off.

 

[dainthomas]

I HIGHLY doubt that would make the news. The media would make sure it stayed buried.

I disagree. I think Fox and/or Rush would be ALL over it. "Hey look! Here's proof that we don't really hate Mexicans!!"

Those truly concerned about exploitation would support amnesty. Walls never have and never will work at keeping people in or out of an entire country. Just ask Rome, China, and East Germany.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Feds don't have as much spare time on their hands to be racist as Arizona sheriffs apparently do. They're too busy going after real criminals (the kind who hurt and kill people). Not just brown people with insufficient documentation.

Right, because "affirmative" action isn't racist...

 

[Fern]

It has everything to do with it.
Out of state White guy gets off with a fix-it ticket.
Out of state non-white guy gets asked if he is a legal citizen of the US even after providing the aforementioned documents.

Those documents are NOT proof of citizenship if you are from certain states.

Which states would those be?

I assume AZ has, or will need, a list of which states' drivers licences qualify as proof. Do we know that list? Or will they be accepting all DL's as proof?

Fern

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Don't want animosity? Then don't come here illegal.

Um, the countless legal hispanic residents of Arizona would take issue with that logic.

It's bad enough that minorities already get targeted merely by biological association. We should be trying to reduce this behavior, not reinforce it.

I thought it was a pretty basic and fundamental concept in American law and culture that you are innocent until proven guilty, and should not be targeted by the law simply because you belong to a certain ethnic/cultural/gender/etc. group. How would you like to be constantly in fear of harassment simply because of a physical feature you have no control over?

(In case it isn't clear: most people who look hispanic are not illegal immigrants)

 

[blackangst1]

Which states would those be?

I assume AZ has, or will need, a list of which states' drivers licences qualify as proof. Do we know that list? Or will they be accepting all DL's as proof?

Fern

Currently AZ does not recognize ID or licenses as valid proof from HI, NM, UT, and WA. http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410

 

[blackangst1]

Um, the countless legal hispanic residents of Arizona would take issue with that logic.

It's bad enough that minorities already get targeted merely by biological association. We should be trying to reduce this behavior, not reinforce it.

I thought it was a pretty basic and fundamental concept in American law and culture that you are innocent until proven guilty, and should not be targeted by the law simply because you belong to a certain ethnic/cultural/gender/etc. group. How would you like to be constantly in fear of harassment simply because of a physical feature you have no control over?

um, the majority of LEGAL hispanics here in AZ support this law. And why are you still perpetuating that this law targets race, when it explicitly doesnt? Did you know we have a decent sized illegal asian population also? Do you even know why? You need to quit listening to whatever news youre listening to. This has been covered ad nauseum in one of the other 3 or 4 threads.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

um, the majority of LEGAL hispanics here in AZ support this law.

Since when do we turn to victims of an unjust law to vote on whether we should have that law? Freedom and fairness and consistency with our existing laws are what matters.

I knew a Japanese kid whose parents were in an internment camp, and he didn't think it was all that bad of a thing. So what? That's not how we make these kinds of decisions.

And why are you still perpetuating that this law targets race, when it explicitly doesnt?

I can explicitly say a lot of things that are logically inconsistent. It's pretty simple to deduce how this law will work in the real world.

Did you know we have a decent sized illegal asian population also? Do you even know why?

Didn't know that, and I'm not sure why it's relevant. People who look Asian shouldn't be targeted either.

You need to quit listening to whatever news youre listening to.

I don't listen to any news. I read a bit here and there. Most "news" is garbage.

This has been covered ad nauseum in one of the other 3 or 4 threads.

I'm not going to go scour the forum before posting an opinion. I have other things to do.

 

[Fern]

Currently AZ does not recognize ID or licenses as valid proof from HI, NM, UT, and WA. http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410

Thanks, that's interesting.

After reading about the Real ID Act of 2005 (the deadline keeps getting postponed), I'm surpised we have that many states/territories demanding proof of legal presence. So out of about 56 we have 4 not meeting that standard now.

My guess is that they'll use name and SS# as proof (verify it matches up), that's what the feds do in many cases.

Fern

 

[bob4432]

The freedom from unwarranted search and seizure. Several other people have pointed this out.

read the law dickhead. you sheeple are so fucking ignorant, it is actually sad.

oh yeah, and fuck the suns. for them it is nothing more than a way to make $$ since the jersey are $95 or so and since the retards against the law haven't read it and want to be "in the group" since they have no life, then the suns again exploit the ignorant.

go ahead, get your talking points from people who have no other agenda but their own, like sharpton - again, another ignorant fuck. tries to turn anything into racism. sharpton can't make any argument except racism, what a joke.