Phoenix Suns to wear 'Los Suns' jerseys to protest Arizona's immigration law.

[JulesMaximus]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/05/05/2010-05-05_los_suns_back_latinos.html

Taking a stand against what they called a "flawed state law," the Phoenix Suns will wear "Los Suns" jerseys Wednesday for Game 2 of their second-round series against the Spurs in protest of Arizona's new immigration law.

"Our players and organization felt that wearing our 'Los Suns' jerseys on Cinco de Mayo was a way for our team and our organization to honor our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the State of Arizona, and our nation," said managing partner Robert Sarver.

Under Arizona's new SB 1070 law, police in that state are required to use "reasonable suspicion" to question and detain possible undocumented immigrants, which has opened the door to charges of racial profiling from critics.

The controversy spilled into the nation's pastime as 100 protesters swarmed Wrigley Field last week for a game between the Chicago Cubs and the Arizona Diamondbacks - a team that includes several Latino players. There have also been calls for Major League Baseball to move the 2011 All-Star Game out of Phoenix if the law goes into effect.

The Suns stance was lauded by the NBA Players Association, which "strongly supports the repeal or immediate modification of this legislation," according to Billy Hunter, the NBAPA executive director.

"Any attempt to encourage, tolerate or legalize racial profiling is offensive and incompatible with basic notions of fairness and equal protection. A law that unfairly targets one group is ultimately a threat to all."

I think this law stinks and should be overturned. It solves nothing, places an undue burden on the police force, will create more animosity between the latino community and police throughout the state, and it promotes racial profiling and undue search and seizure.

 

[rudder]

Isn't Sol spanish for Sun?

And did they not read the text of the law? It is written in such a way to prevent some of the racial profiling the left is fuming over.

 

[Hacp]

65% of Americans support it or think its too lenient. The Phoenix suns are a vocal minority in this.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Isn't Sol spanish for Sun?

And did they not read the text of the law? It is written in such a way to prevent some of the racial profiling the left is fuming over.

Los Sols? :biggrin: Sounds kind of close to 'lost souls'

 

[JulesMaximus]

65% of Americans support it or think its too lenient. The Phoenix suns are a vocal minority in this.

If 65% of Americans support slavery does that make it okay?

BTW-I'd like to know where you pulled that statistic out of.

 

[rudder]

If 65% of Americans support slavery does that make it okay?

BTW-I'd like to know where you pulled that statistic out of.

How can you compare subjugation of another human being to someone sneaking over the border and entering the country illegally?

And because immigration laws are so lax... many immigrants face a life of indentured servitude which is one step above slavery. If you enforce border protection, improve the guest worker program, and fine employers for hiring illegals... working conditions for a lot of people would improve. I thought the lefties would be in favor of this?

 

[JulesMaximus]

How can you compare subjugation of another human being to someone sneaking over the border and entering the country illegally?

And because immigration laws are so lax... many immigrants face a life of indentured servitude which is one step above slavery. If you enforce border protection, improve the guest worker program, and fine employers for hiring illegals... working conditions for a lot of people would improve. I thought the lefties would be in favor of this?

I'm in favor of all those things, but I'm not in favor of this law for the reasons I stated above.

 

[OutHouse]

I'm in favor of all those things, but I'm not in favor of this law for the reasons I stated above.

its the same damn law that is on the federal books but at the state level.

so tell us are you against all of the law like the part about stopping local governments from ignoring the law to make sanctuary towns or how about charging business owners and landlords with a crime for hiring or housing illegal aliens?

 

[Genx87]

Isn't Sol spanish for Sun?

And did they not read the text of the law? It is written in such a way to prevent some of the racial profiling the left is fuming over.

Why would they want to do that when they can display how high they can jerk their knee's?

 

[JulesMaximus]

its the same damn law that is on the federal books but at the state level.

so tell us are you against all of the law like the part about stopping local governments from ignoring the law to make sanctuary towns or how about charging business owners and landlords with a crime for hiring or housing illegal aliens?

Really? I find that hard to believe...

In the United States, the government does not have the right to conduct searches based solely on racial profiling. The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure without probable cause. Since the majority of people of all races are law-abiding citizens, merely being of a race which a police officer believes to be more likely to commit a crime than another is not probable cause. In addition, the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution requires that all citizens be treated equally under the law. It has been argued that this makes it unconstitutional for a representative of the government to make decisions based on race.

 

[spidey07]

Really? I find that hard to believe...

Yes really. It's OBVIOUS you haven't read the law and are just swallowing what every news outlet has been feeding you.

Besides, nobody cares about the NBA and this is yet another reason to boycott them. They support ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.

 

[MrEgo]

Attention Sports: Please stay the fuck out of politics. When I watch a sporting event, I don't want to be reminded of all the bullshit in life. Thank you.

I wouldn't mind seeing boycots of the boycotters.

 

[txrandom]

Really? I find that hard to believe...

Where does the Arizona law allow people to be searched with racial profiling?

 

[rudder]

I'm in favor of all those things, but I'm not in favor of this law for the reasons I stated above.

This law is a move in the right direction then.

Some excerpts of the actual law:

A. No official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may limit or restrict the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

B. For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released. The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:

1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.



If you will notice... this is not just for police officers. Any official providing services (schools, state welfare offices, DMV, hospitals).

And keep in mind it is the responsibility of resident aliens to have their green cards with them (Federal rules). This law specifically makes it a crime to be in Arizona if you are not a legal resident or visitor in the United States.

The only thing Arizona needs to do correctly at this point is to make sure everyone is trained properly to avoid racial profiling (as it can be unintentional). This is a win-win law for everyone.

 

[xj0hnx]

Where does the Arizona law allow people to be searched with racial profiling?

It doesn't, but as per the course the knee jerk loony left will use ANY excuse to play the race card ...any.

The simple fact that they keep repeating things that are blatant lies, proves they haven't even read the bill, and have zero comprehension that it only mirrors laws that are already on the books that they didn't get their pretty pink panties in a twist over.

 

[Sinsear]

Bravo OP for supporting illegal behavior.

 

[irishScott]

Stupid. Figures everyone and their mother is trying to turn this into a racial issue when it's really a racially-related immigration issue.

Fact is most illegal immigrants are hispanic. Therefore, as with any hard policy regarding immigration, hispanics will be targeted in some form. This is IMHO the main reason DC has done nothing. Don't get me wrong I think it's a little extreme, but hardly unjustified. People whining about it should really read the actual law and wait for objective evidence in a year or so.

In the meantime, by comparison to the rest of the country: Go Arizona go.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's the NBA, so no one gives a damn. With that being said -- "Go Spurs!"

These guys kill me with their "protests." I think I need to book that vacation to Arizona soon.

 

[Jaskalas]

Don't want animosity? Then don't come here illegal.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Really? I find that hard to believe...

The law specifically prohibits profiling so under the Act your statement is logically flawed. Both are equivalently written. Of course if you can find that it's written otherwise, please let us know. If you are going to fall back on "yeah but we know that won't matter" then please stop using the shotgun approach and pointing at everything that's irrelevant to find justification for your opinion.

Thank you

 

[MotF Bane]

Attention Sports: Please stay the fuck out of politics. When I watch a sporting event, I don't want to be reminded of all the bullshit in life. Thank you.

I wouldn't mind seeing boycots of the boycotters.

This.

 

[actuarial]

The law specifically prohibits profiling so under the Act your statement is logically flawed. Both are equivalently written. Of course if you can find that it's written otherwise, please let us know. If you are going to fall back on "yeah but we know that won't matter" then please stop using the shotgun approach and pointing at everything that's irrelevant to find justification for your opinion.

Thank you

I have really gone back and forth with this law since reading about it, and then actually reading the passages that were already quoted above. My issue lies with the following sentence:

"where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States"

How do you develop reasonable suspicion that a person is an illegal immigrant? I can't really think of any way that won't just end up harassing lots of legal immigrants / natural born citizens.

So I guess my question is: can people come up with situations in which reasonable suspicion would be present? If not, then the law will either be applied contrary to what it is stating (no profiling), or will have no teeth.

If the law just said that they can ask you to prove citizenship at any legal stop, whether there is suspicion of illegal residence or not, then that would be fine (assuming of course that it is applied fairly, which we'd have to at least give the benefit of the doubt for now).

 

[EagleKeeper]

The law mimics Federal law. It does not go beyond it. If it added extra requirements of proof over the Feds; then it would be easily shot down.

Reasonable suspicion is if the person is unable to answer questions or produce identification to properly identify themselves; that is presently required by existing laws.

 

[OutHouse]

Stupid. Figures everyone and their mother is trying to turn this into a racial issue when it's really a racially-related immigration issue.

Fact is most illegal immigrants are hispanic. Therefore, as with any hard policy regarding immigration, hispanics will be targeted in some form. This is IMHO the main reason DC has done nothing. Don't get me wrong I think it's a little extreme, but hardly unjustified. People whining about it should really read the actual law and wait for objective evidence in a year or so.

In the meantime, by comparison to the rest of the country: Go Arizona go.

that is exactly why the illegals have gotten away with this for so long. its way to easy for them to hide behind the race card.

 

[CrackRabbit]

The law mimics Federal law. It does not go beyond it. If it added extra requirements of proof over the Feds; then it would be easily shot down.

Reasonable suspicion is if the person is unable to answer questions or produce identification to properly identify themselves; that is presently required by existing laws.

Do you honestly believe that racial profiling will not be used to determine "reasonable suspicion"?