Phew. That was close. Montenegro says they won't start WWIII

[MomentsofSanity]

Well that's a load off the mind. Contrary to Trump's assertion during an interview with Tucker Carlson, Montenegro has public said they have no plans to start the end of the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-nato-self-defense-montenegro.html

The president continued, “Montenegro is a tiny country with very strong people.”

He added: “They have very aggressive people. They may get aggressive, and congratulations, you’re in World War III, now I understand that — but that’s the way it was set up.”

Fortunately, the small country of 640,000 has said it won't use it's approx. 2,000 member military to invade Russia and begin Armageddon. That won't stop them from their commitment to send even more troops to Afghanistan in support of the Article 5 invocation that was invoked after another NATO ally was attacked though.

If you don't know much on Montenegro, it's a country that very recently joined NATO (last year). in 2016 Russia attempted a coup in the small country to try and keep them from joining.

It must be purely coincidental that this all comes up immediately after Trump meets with Putin though. I mean who wasn't talking about Montenegro before this amiright?

 

[K1052]

I would bet one billion dollars that Trump couldn't pick out Montenegro on a map. Such a mystery who put this into that simple orange head of his.

 

[dank69]

Conservatives will never be able to connect those dots because they are unwilling to connect those dots. They will however read an email about pizza and immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton is eating children.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Of course they're aggressive...the country has 'negro' right there in the name.

Yeah, Montenegro is so aggressive that their Prime Minister. when roughly shoved aside by Trump at a previous NATO summit shrugged it off as an "inoffensive situation".

Montenegro is a member of NATO, and their troops are in Afghanistan fighting alongside US troops, FFS. So..Trump reasoned that Montenegro is a tiny country and its people are "very aggressive". So he worked in some ethnic stereotyping along with his undermining one of the most significant alliance in the history of the world.

Make it stop!

 

[Zorba]

Well, it had only taken a few days to find out two major topics of conversation in their private meeting. 1) Us giving them US citizens so they can be jailed for helping pass a legal law in US that hurt Russia, and 2) NATO is bad, very bad, why would you was to defend these shit hole countries?

Of course, the cucks in Congress are happy now that he changed a word.

 

[dank69]

Well, it had only taken a few days to find out two major topics of conversation in their private meeting. 1) Us giving them US citizens so they can be jailed for helping pass a legal law in US that hurt Russia, and 2) NATO is bad, very bad, why would you was to defend these shit hole countries?

Of course, the cucks in Congress are happy now that he changed a word.

Don't forget this:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/trump-putin-russia-claim-military-agreements/index.html

"The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is ready for practical implementation of the agreements reached between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Donald Trump in the sphere of international security achieved at the Helsinki summit," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, a Russian military spokesman, said in a statement Tuesday.
The Russian military "is ready to intensify contacts with the US colleagues in the General Staff and other available channels to discuss the extension of the START treaty, cooperation in Syria, as well as other issues of ensuring military security," Konashenkov said.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'll be there in September. Ill let you guys know how the WWIII plans are coming along.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Conservatives will never be able to connect those dots because they are unwilling to connect those dots. They will however read an email about pizza and immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton is eating children.

Well if we’re connecting dots in the Balkans, we need to extend them all the way back to Kosovo when the US bombed Serbia.

That action caused Putin and Russia to change its national security prioritization from collaboration with the west to resistance of American unilateralism. Some speculate that American military intervention in the former Soviet sphere is what provoked Putin to hold a personal vendetta against the Clintons.

Montenegro followed in Kosovo’s footsteps in terms of seeking independence, a set of dominoes that further strengthened Putin’s appeal to Russian nationalism and the “glory” of the Soviet empire.

It’s interesting to note that American soldiers and Russian soldiers got along quite well in Bosnia, yet a few short years later, Russia dropped soldiers into Pristina, Kosovo, and got NATO to blink.

When the history books are written on the whole Putin-Trump saga, the Balkans will be front and center.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I would bet one billion dollars that Trump couldn't pick out Montenegro on a map. Such a mystery who put this into that simple orange head of his.

To be fair I don't think I could either assuming things are unlabeled, however, Trump doesn't know that if a NATO nation attacks another country no one is required to assist as this is a defensive treaty only. I'd bet that many here know that.

 

[thraashman]

I would bet one billion dollars that Trump couldn't pick out Montenegro on a map. Such a mystery who put this into that simple orange head of his.

I'd be genuinely shocked if he could pick out Canada on a map.

 

[IronWing]

Phew. That was close. Montenegro says they won't start WWIII

Pussies.

 

[soulcougher73]

To be fair I don't think I could either assuming things are unlabeled, however, Trump doesn't know that if a NATO nation attacks another country no one is required to assist as this is a defensive treaty only. I'd bet that many here know that.

Its to the east of Italy just below Croatia. Pick up a map

 

[snoopy7548]

I would bet one billion dollars that Trump couldn't pick out Montenegro on a map. Such a mystery who put this into that simple orange head of his.

Neither could I, but then again I don't hold the most powerful position in the world.

 

[Jhhnn]

To be fair I don't think I could either assuming things are unlabeled, however, Trump doesn't know that if a NATO nation attacks another country no one is required to assist as this is a defensive treaty only. I'd bet that many here know that.

Bullshit. One of the requirements of membership is obviously to respect the territorial integrity of neighboring members. That's a no-brainer.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well if we’re connecting dots in the Balkans, we need to extend them all the way back to Kosovo when the US bombed Serbia.

That action caused Putin and Russia to change its national security prioritization from collaboration with the west to resistance of American unilateralism. Some speculate that American military intervention in the former Soviet sphere is what provoked Putin to hold a personal vendetta against the Clintons.

Montenegro followed in Kosovo’s footsteps in terms of seeking independence, a set of dominoes that further strengthened Putin’s appeal to Russian nationalism and the “glory” of the Soviet empire.

It’s interesting to note that American soldiers and Russian soldiers got along quite well in Bosnia, yet a few short years later, Russia dropped soldiers into Pristina, Kosovo, and got NATO to blink.

When the history books are written on the whole Putin-Trump saga, the Balkans will be front and center.

I don't buy it. Putin is a Russian nationalist, but also a power hungry glory seeker. He was going to compete with the west for world dominance no matter the circumstances or past history. The only aspect where US actions matter is whether we have provided him with some excuse/pretext to be aggressive. Currently he isn't using Kosovo as his excuse. He may have at one time. Yet if we haven't provided him with one at any given point in time, he'll just make one up. Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet empire as a Russian empire. He's making Russia "great again."

 

[Vic]

Of course they're aggressive...the country has 'negro' right there in the name.

Yeah, Montenegro is so aggressive that their Prime Minister. when roughly shoved aside by Trump at a previous NATO summit shrugged it off as an "inoffensive situation".

Montenegro is a member of NATO, and their troops are in Afghanistan fighting alongside US troops, FFS. So..Trump reasoned that Montenegro is a tiny country and its people are "very aggressive". So he worked in some ethnic stereotyping along with his undermining one of the most significant alliance in the history of the world.

Make it stop!

The reason Trump picks on the current Montenegro PM is because his predecessor, who he defeated in a fair election, was a Putin puppet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bullshit. One of the requirements of membership is obviously to respect the territorial integrity of neighboring members. That's a no-brainer.

So you agree with me. This Montenegro thing is bull.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well if we’re connecting dots in the Balkans, we need to extend them all the way back to Kosovo when the US bombed Serbia.

In terms of this crap from Trump and Fox there is exactly one dot, and that is NATO is a defensive alliance only. If some nation were to act to attack another NATO agreements do not apply. We could go back to pre-WWI if you like as a brief stopover in the history of armed conflicts in the region however Trump is a dope.

 

[cytg111]

Pussies.

Ah .. thats why Trump tries to grab em.

 

[Jhhnn]

In terms of this crap from Trump and Fox there is exactly one dot, and that is NATO is a defensive alliance only. If some nation were to act to attack another NATO agreements do not apply. We could go back to pre-WWI if you like as a brief stopover in the history of armed conflicts in the region however Trump is a dope.

Don't be obtuse. An attack on *any* Nato member is an attack on all members no matter where it comes from. A member aggressor would be out on their ear in nothing flat & would face the combined forces of the other members. That's beyond obvious.

So far as Montenegro goes the only people vaguely interested in attacking them would be Serbia or the Bosnian Serbs.

Neither you nor Trump have any idea what you're talking about, either.

 

[Starbuck1975]

In terms of this crap from Trump and Fox there is exactly one dot, and that is NATO is a defensive alliance only. If some nation were to act to attack another NATO agreements do not apply. We could go back to pre-WWI if you like as a brief stopover in the history of armed conflicts in the region however Trump is a dope.

Trump is a dope but so are those who dismiss the history of the Balkans.

 

[rommelrommel]

Conservatives will never be able to connect those dots because they are unwilling to connect those dots. They will however read an email about pizza and immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton is eating children.

What dots! I don’t see any dots! Those are fake dots! Even if there were real dots they wouldn’t connect! If you connect those dots in a certain way they spell out S-O-R-O-S!

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't buy it. Putin is a Russian nationalist, but also a power hungry glory seeker. He was going to compete with the west for world dominance no matter the circumstances or past history. The only aspect where US actions matter is whether we have provided him with some excuse/pretext to be aggressive. Currently he isn't using Kosovo as his excuse. He may have at one time. Yet if we haven't provided him with one at any given point in time, he'll just make one up. Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet empire as a Russian empire. He's making Russia "great again."

With Trump's enthusiastic help.

 

[cytg111]

Trump is a dope but so are those who dismiss the history of the Balkans.

I think that is why we admitted them into NATO? To maintain the peace?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don't be obtuse. An attack on *any* Nato member is an attack on all members no matter where it comes from. A member aggressor would be out on their ear in nothing flat & would face the combined forces of the other members. That's beyond obvious.

So far as Montenegro goes the only people vaguely interested in attacking them would be Serbia or the Bosnian Serbs.

Neither you nor Trump have any idea what you're talking about, either.

You really are being stupid here. So let's clarify this. If Poland decides to attack Russia, not defend itself, not coming to the aid of another nation attacked, but some Hitler equivalent takes power and decides that Muscovites need to be gassed, AND LAUNCHED AN UNPROVOKED FIRST STRIKE, we need to join them against Russia.

Okey dokey then. As I say no to that being the case I seem to have a pretty good idea of how this works. You, on the other hand, look pretty Trumpy. There is no agreement in NATO that requires backing a country attempting to start a war with another.