Phenom worth it yet?

[Mech0z]

I am buying a system and I really can't find out if buying a phenom is just stupid, becaues it sounds like they can only be overclocked 100-200mhz and then I guess the Q6600 is gonna kill it if you clock that to 3.2ghz.

Picture link this is the systems I made.

But performance wise is the phenom then a stupid choice? I really like the Asus AM2+ board I picked.

Also if I need to pick the Intel I cant find a cheapish board with PCIE 2.0 support which I would like.

 

[Pabster]

Not stupid, just not the best.

Phenom has been a disappointment, to say the least.

With the OC capability of the C2Q there really is no competition.

 

[error8]

Yes, Pabster is right. Phenom X4 is a total failure, is expensive and has a lot of bugs not only in the motherboards but in the cpu itself. Right now AMD has some good chips in the dual core region, but their quads don't worth nothing. Lets hope that AMD will rise itself from the ashes, because with no competition, INTEL will eat our liver with their cpu's.

 

[Mech0z]

In motherboards you say? Does that mean that the AM2+ boards are not worth buying? Because I could buy a 5000+ or 6000+ and wait for a better Phenom to pop up, but if you say the boards aint good then thats stupid I guess

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Mech0z
Yes, Pabster is right. Phenom X4 is a total failure, is expensive and has a lot of bugs not only in the motherboards but in the cpu itself. Right now AMD has some good chips in the dual core region, but their quads don't worth nothing. Lets hope that AMD will rise itself from the ashes, because with no competition, INTEL will eat our liver with their cpu's.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a total failure, but right now buying one just doesn't make sense. I think once it matures, some decent motherboards come out, and AMD starts pricing it in line with how it really performs it'll be a good option, just like the Radeon 3850/3870 are certainly not the fastest, but are 'good enough' and priced right. But, right now buying a Phenom just doesn't make much sense, the Intel quads are better performers and priced near the Phenom.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: Mech0z
Yes, Pabster is right. Phenom X4 is a total failure, is expensive and has a lot of bugs not only in the motherboards but in the cpu itself. Right now AMD has some good chips in the dual core region, but their quads don't worth nothing. Lets hope that AMD will rise itself from the ashes, because with no competition, INTEL will eat our liver with their cpu's.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a total failure, but right now buying one just doesn't make sense. I think once it matures, some decent motherboards come out, and AMD starts pricing it in line with how it really performs it'll be a good option, just like the Radeon 3850/3870 are certainly not the fastest, but are 'good enough' and priced right. But, right now buying a Phenom just doesn't make much sense, the Intel quads are better performers and priced near the Phenom.

I see what you're saying. I think the Cliff's is this :

(1) - The current Phenom lineup is an absolute failure.

(2) - Future Phenom CPU revisions/releases may (hopefully) improve tremendously.

 

[error8]

I've read the article on guru3d.com about Phenom 9700, and it just made me mad. It fails so badly in games, it's almost unreal. How could this quad core be worse than even e6600 in games like Crysis, a game that loves big numbers of cores? It's just amaizing. And not only that, but it's at the same price with Q6600 which is so much faster! Even if it becomes cheaper, I wouldn'y buy it. I mean I love my X2 4000+ at 3 Ghz which was a total bargain at 80 $ a couple of months ago, but when I'll make an upgrade, AMD will not be on my list. How could they have worked so many months on a cpu that is so weak it's beyond me.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Mech0z
In motherboards you say? Does that mean that the AM2+ boards are not worth buying? Because I could buy a 5000+ or 6000+ and wait for a better Phenom to pop up, but if you say the boards aint good then thats stupid I guess

It's not really that the boards won't ever be worth buying, it's just that they aren't worth buying yet. Anytime a new chipset comes out, it takes awhile before the manufacturers get good at writing BIOS's for them. The current BIOS's just aren't up to snuff yet. They probably will be, in roughly a month or so, but you'd want to check around before ordering one, to make sure.

Originally posted by: error8
but when I'll make an upgrade, AMD will not be on my list. How could they have worked so many months on a cpu that is so weak it's beyond me.

I wouldn't give up on them yet. The first stepping of Athlon 64's weren't all that great, either. After a short while, that changed. Now, it may not change with the Phenom, it may very well be AMD's Prescott, but we don't know yet.

 

[Mech0z]

Ok, I just want a motherboard with PCIE 2.0 and Wifi, and if I want intel then its hopelessly expensive. And I don't want to buy a router, rather spend those money on a more crispy motherboard, the wifi is only for my 12m2 room anyway so I can use my laptop as well.

Its only amd who makes wifi bundles right?

 

[error8]

It will be a good thing if Phenom becomes AMD's Prescott, but right now it doesn't look like it. If AMD want's to sell their chips they have to cut prices massively . I always had hopes for "the worlds first native quad core" ,especially that I own an AM2 motherboard since last year, and I thought that is so great that I can use a quad in my computer, without the need to change the motherboard. But it looks that I've waited for nothing. I don't have the money for an upgrade right now and so I'm forced to wait a couple of months, and maybe, just maybe, something incredible will happen and AMD will make me buy their cpu, but I doubt it. AMD I hate you so much.

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: error8
I've read the article on guru3d.com about Phenom 9700, and it just made me mad. It fails so badly in games, it's almost unreal. How could this quad core be worse than even e6600 in games like Crysis, a game that loves big numbers of cores? It's just amaizing. And not only that, but it's at the same price with Q6600 which is so much faster! Even if it becomes cheaper, I wouldn'y buy it. I mean I love my X2 4000+ at 3 Ghz which was a total bargain at 80 $ a couple of months ago, but when I'll make an upgrade, AMD will not be on my list. How could they have worked so many months on a cpu that is so weak it's beyond me.

Quad core being good for Crysis was utter bollocks.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/005860.html

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Sable

Originally posted by: error8
I've read the article on guru3d.com about Phenom 9700, and it just made me mad. It fails so badly in games, it's almost unreal. How could this quad core be worse than even e6600 in games like Crysis, a game that loves big numbers of cores? It's just amaizing. And not only that, but it's at the same price with Q6600 which is so much faster! Even if it becomes cheaper, I wouldn'y buy it. I mean I love my X2 4000+ at 3 Ghz which was a total bargain at 80 $ a couple of months ago, but when I'll make an upgrade, AMD will not be on my list. How could they have worked so many months on a cpu that is so weak it's beyond me.

Quad core being good for Crysis was utter bollocks.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/005860.html

or those of you with quad cores aching to chew on something really grueling, it looks like Crysis may not be tickling those extra cores after all. I've been playing the final gold build of Crysis and for fun tonight popped an Intel Penryn QX9650 in to see how it compared with my old E6600 Core 2 Duo. Clock for clock, resolution for resolution, and detail setting for setting, the frame rates are for all intensive purposes identical. Which is not to complain, mind you -- keeping the numbers above 24 fps with everything but the water effects maximized is no easy trick when you're talking about a game that's every bit as momentous visually and functionally speaking as a John Carmack engine upon release.

:laugh:

 

[taltamir]

to answer the title of the thread... NO.

To go more in depth. The phenom is buggy! it is not ready yet but they had to release it because it cannot afford more delays, its overly delatyed anyways... they have a massive bug resulting in huge performance decrease and causing them to hit a wall in clock speeds... Phenom would probably be worth it the moment the fix the bug... but how long that will take is anyone's guess. Could be tommorow, could be too late to save the company.