Phenom II vs. FX-8350

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zir_blazer

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Yeah, but the comparison I was really looking at with the FX-9000 was an overclocked FX-8320/8350. I mean, will the FX-9000 stuff overclock any better than the FX-8300 stuff? I'm just wondering why you wouldn't get the FX-8350 and overclock it to those speeds yourself, if not the FX-8320.
The FX-9000 should be the best Vishera bins, so you need a very good FX-83xx sample to get to those Frequencies. Problem is that their default setting is soo close to the absolute limit that they're capable of, that the overclocking margin is next to 0 (Reason why they're factory overclocks. Another two examples would include AMD K6-2 550 MHz and the recalled Pentium 3 Coppermine 1.13 GHz). I think most reviewers weren't even able to get to 5 GHz on all 8 Cores, and 5 GHz is the Frequency of Turbo on a Module.
Also, due to the extremely high power consumption, you need to account for the extra cost. You need high end Motherboards that have the beefy VRMs needed to guarantee than that nuclear reactor will be reliable, and not every AM3+ Motherboard can do that. Add in a 100W higher Power Supply, too, and the cooling. A non-overclocked Core i7 4770 should be good even on a cheap-ass B85 Motherboard with a cheap Power Supply and provide equivalent performance. And chances are that you don't need a 4770 at all and could get away by with a cheaper Core i5 4670. If you want to expend on aftermarket cooling for a Haswell to overclock it, Vishera will not even touch it.

Finally, if he has some GPUs for Litecoin Mining, what does he uses as his main GPU? Back at a time, I had two Radeons 5770 with an Athlon II X4, but I managed to mine with both at the same time 24/7 by using the integrated GPU (A humble Radeon 4200 from the AMD 785G Chipset). If he is currently using the IGP as his main Video Card and the other as mining slaves, the Haswell IGP would also be a big jump.


My thing is, I don't see the market for the FX-9000 series. The only POSSIBLE scenario I could see it as the winning choice is if someone was super-loyal to AMD but wasn't willing to learn to overclock, but that's got to be a super-small sample, one I wouldn't even expect to deserve a market.
When they launched, the price of these was RIDICULOUS. Soo much the FX-9590 received a tremendous price cut not soo long after. Now they're competitive in CPU-only price performance, but sucks on everything else. I took it as a market stunt more than anything else.
 
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SlowSpyder

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The FX9xxx CPU's aren't for everyone, certainly not anyone looking to buy with bang for the buck in mind (though last Christmas I did see the FX 9370 drop to $199.99 with a coupon for a free download of Far Cry 3). You're basically paying for the guarantee of the frequency AMD is selling it at.
 

Blitzvogel

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You're basically paying for the guarantee of the frequency AMD is selling it at.

That's any CPU or graphics card. You're paying for the samples that are tested in factory that happen to be able to handle the higher voltages, clocks, and TDWs which makes them potentially more valuable.
 

mrmt

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That didn't seem like a big deal. Does anyone know WHY the 9000-series takes the asinine wattage? I mean, why wouldn't you get the FX-8350 (of even 8320), then overclock it to the FX-9000 series levels? Is it that the extra wattage allows for better overclocking on the same cooling than the FX-8350 or something?

You certainly can push the 8350 or the 8320 to FX 9000 levels, before the launch of the 9000 series most people who tried could achieve it. The asinine wattage in the 9000 series is what you would get if you pushed 8000 serie chips to that frequency levels, they are not out of proportion. 9000 series don't have any significant overclock margin, if any.

Unless you are an AMD fan willing to hear AMD's swan song or happen to have a very high end AMD AM3+ board, I wouldn't recommend you to touch FX9000 series without a 10 feet pole.
 

Lil Frier

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So even though someone above said that the voltage difference is about .14 V, that equates to 95 W? I think my dad's settled on the FX-8350, but IDK when he'll be seriously looking to buy (he wants to see about getting water coolers on Newegg for his 290X cards because the weather's getting too warm for them, they're pushing 90 degrees), and he was thinking of getting the stuff then).
 

mrmt

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So even though someone above said that the voltage difference is about .14 V, that equates to 95 W? I think my dad's settled on the FX-8350, but IDK when he'll be seriously looking to buy (he wants to see about getting water coolers on Newegg for his 290X cards because the weather's getting too warm for them, they're pushing 90 degrees), and he was thinking of getting the stuff then).

Voltage and frequency. Get your FX 8350 to that voltage and frequency and you'll get similar power consumption/TDP.