Phenom II is faster or same as Yorkfield Core 2 Quad

[JPB]

Phenom II is faster or same as Yorkfield Core 2 Quad

On average

We've learned that at the same clock speed Phenom II should be as fast of a bit faster than 45nm Yorkfield-based Core 2 Quad. This will, of course, depend on the benchmark you run and all benchmarks optimized for SSE 4 might still go in Intel?s favor.

At the same time, this gives you a clear picture that Core i7 should end up a bit faster than Phenom II at the same clock speed, but Core i7 is currently at new price level as it will be drastically more expensive than Phenom II.

The good news is that Phenom II will be quite good overclocker and it will fix its odds; but at the same time Core 2 Quad 45nm based Yorkfield is still one of the best overclockers on the block, so the fight will be rather interesting.

We are quite sure that this will lead to new price war, as Core 2 Quad might have to drop in price as soon as Phenom II hits the market.

Would be nice if true...but you know FUD.

EDIT: Honestly, I hope Deneb is just as fast as Yorkfield and the reason I say that is....I am just waiting on a Quad 9650 or a Quad 9550 to purchase when the price gets low enough. So come on AMD, dont let me down, force Intel to drop their prices :thumbsup:

 

[OCGuy]

What is this based off of? There are no facts in that.

*sigh*


Why does it seem like its so hard to get real information on these chips?

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
What is this based off of? There are no facts in that.

*sigh*


Why does it seem like its so hard to get real information on these chips?

Yep, I do agree, but with the supposed overclocking ability of Deneb, it should be able to easily compete. But yea, I am waiting on a reliable source myself.

But then again, news is news

By the way, OCguy31....what motherboard are you currently running ?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
What is this based off of? There are no facts in that.

*sigh*


Why does it seem like its so hard to get real information on these chips?

Yep, I do agree, but with the supposed overclocking ability of Deneb, it should be able to easily compete. But yea, I am waiting on a reliable source myself.

But then again, news is news

By the way, OCguy31....what motherboard are you currently running ?

Yea I'm not saying that the premise is impossible, i'm saying it would be nice if FUD included a sneak-peak benchmark screenie or something else to spice up what appears to be just a blog post with no meat.

Using a P5KC

 

[ArchAngel777]

I hope it is true, but obviously I tend to doubt it myself. I am sure some IPC improvements have been made, but that much? Anything is possible, however. Though I was thinking how I would purchase one if it were true, but then I am reminded that my current system is more than capable for the next few years. I should be fine with this puppy, just pop in a new graphics card.

ANYWAY... I still want to build one. I wish I had deep pockets, but it appears they have holes in them anyway...

 

[VirtualLarry]

Phenom II is supported by my K9A2 Plat. mobo, with a beta bios. I might just pick one up and try it out.

 

[Kraeoss]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Phenom II is supported by my K9A2 Plat. mobo, with a beta bios. I might just pick one up and try it out.

spoken like a true upgradeaholic :laugh:

 

[PlasmaBomb]

According to the merchant, the unlocked 3GHz / 2MB+6MB cache Phenom II 940 will cost AUS$ 532 (approx. USD$ 347) while the 2.8GHz multiplier-locked Phenom II 920 will be a tad lower at AUS$471.90 (approx. USD$ 307).

Piccy - http://img151.imageshack.us/my...6922xu7d5p2n8f2lf9.jpg

Intel Core i7 940 goes for $569.99
Intel Core i7 920 goes for $299.99

Thoughts?

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...henom-ii-prices-listed

 

[JPB]

Well, AMD better hope it seriously competes with i7 because if it doesnt, this isnt going to be good for them with those prices.

If the prices are true that is.

 

[dguy6789]

Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

You are assuming that Phenom II competes with i7. All indicators are pointing to it competeing with C2 in both performance and price.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

You are assuming that Phenom II competes with i7. All indicators are pointing to it competeing with C2 in both performance and price.

According to the merchant, the unlocked 3GHz / 2MB+6MB cache Phenom II 940 will cost AUS$ 532 (approx. USD$ 347) while the 2.8GHz multiplier-locked Phenom II 920 will be a tad lower at AUS$471.90 (approx. USD$ 307).

Intel Core i7 920 goes for $299.99

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

You are assuming that Phenom II competes with i7. All indicators are pointing to it competeing with C2 in both performance and price.

According to the merchant, the unlocked 3GHz / 2MB+6MB cache Phenom II 940 will cost AUS$ 532 (approx. USD$ 347) while the 2.8GHz multiplier-locked Phenom II 920 will be a tad lower at AUS$471.90 (approx. USD$ 307).

Intel Core i7 920 goes for $299.99

Well if those prices are true, and the performance is online with C2, it would be a bad day for AMD. I'm taking those prices with a grain of salt.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

You are assuming that Phenom II competes with i7. All indicators are pointing to it competeing with C2 in both performance and price.

According to the merchant, the unlocked 3GHz / 2MB+6MB cache Phenom II 940 will cost AUS$ 532 (approx. USD$ 347) while the 2.8GHz multiplier-locked Phenom II 920 will be a tad lower at AUS$471.90 (approx. USD$ 307).

Intel Core i7 920 goes for $299.99

Well if those prices are true, and the performance is online with C2, it would be a bad day for AMD. I'm taking those prices with a grain of salt.

Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

If the Phenom II is on par with performance & power consumption with a C2Q, I will seriously be considering a new system. The only problem is what will I do with this 8400 machine...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Processor price isn't too important when comparing to i7 at the moment. The i7 motherboards and DDR3 prices are what keep people from buying them. However, once i7 motherboards and DDR3 are reasonably priced, Phenom 2 will have a very hard time selling at all if it is priced the same as Core i7.

You are assuming that Phenom II competes with i7. All indicators are pointing to it competeing with C2 in both performance and price.

According to the merchant, the unlocked 3GHz / 2MB+6MB cache Phenom II 940 will cost AUS$ 532 (approx. USD$ 347) while the 2.8GHz multiplier-locked Phenom II 920 will be a tad lower at AUS$471.90 (approx. USD$ 307).

Intel Core i7 920 goes for $299.99

Well if those prices are true, and the performance is online with C2, it would be a bad day for AMD. I'm taking those prices with a grain of salt.

Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

Maybe, but those who know hardware and read sites like these will say "hey that Phenom costs $xx more than that Q9550 over there. It's not even faster in my games and current apps. I can save some cash and then buy the new WoW expansion or a better video card...sweet!"

or something to that effect.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
If the Phenom II is on par with performance & power consumption with a C2Q, I will seriously be considering a new system. The only problem is what will I do with this 8400 machine...

You would buy it even if it cost more to get than a Q9550 system?

I understand pricing is unknown, but new tech = $$ in most cases

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
If the Phenom II is on par with performance & power consumption with a C2Q, I will seriously be considering a new system. The only problem is what will I do with this 8400 machine...

You would buy it even if it cost more to get than a Q9550 system?

I understand pricing is unknown, but new tech = $$ in most cases

"...be considering"

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

Maybe, but those who know hardware and read sites like these will say "hey that Phenom costs $xx more than that Q9550 over there. It's not even faster in my games and current apps. I can save some cash and then buy the new WoW expansion or a better video card...sweet!"

or something to that effect.

That is the part of supply vs demand wherein the demand is reduced such that it is no longer outstripping the supply.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

Maybe, but those who know hardware and read sites like these will say "hey that Phenom costs $xx more than that Q9550 over there. It's not even faster in my games and current apps. I can save some cash and then buy the new WoW expansion or a better video card...sweet!"

or something to that effect.

That is the part of supply vs demand wherein the demand is reduced such that it is no longer outstripping the supply.

Which I'm saying will lose potential buyers.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

Maybe, but those who know hardware and read sites like these will say "hey that Phenom costs $xx more than that Q9550 over there. It's not even faster in my games and current apps. I can save some cash and then buy the new WoW expansion or a better video card...sweet!"

or something to that effect.

That is the part of supply vs demand wherein the demand is reduced such that it is no longer outstripping the supply.

Which I'm saying will lose potential buyers.

What were those potential buyers going to buy?

If there are only 3 chips then it doesn't matter whether the price is so low that there are 20 potential buyers or if the price is high and there are only 10 potential buyers...because in a supply limited situation there will only be 3 buyers of those 3 CPU's.

Lowering price only helps increase actual buyers if supply exists for potential buyers to become actual buyers.

In the absence of supply there really is no point in attracting potential buyers who can't get anything (at any price) once the initial stock is depleted.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: JPB
Well, AMD better hope it seriously competes with i7 because if it doesnt, this isnt going to be good for them with those prices.

If the prices are true that is.

AMD couldn't really compete with Intel even when it was on S939, priced cheaper than Intel and performed better from both power for dollar and power per watt. They had the biggest performance lead ever and still had major issues getting their foot in the door with system integrators. Intel is too much a household name, the clueless masses would go with Intel even if they were throwing money away because Intel was just what you bought.

They know they can never compete with Intel on the media encoding benchmarks, because Intel has them eating out of their hand with the SSE optimizations. Given that this is as "killer app" as it gets for quads in the home, they absolutely cannot compete on even keel pricing.

They need a Q6600 killer, not an i7 killer or a Q9550 killer. Something in the $150 / 2.5GHz range that OCs into the low to mid 3s without too much difficulty.

I'm rooting for AMD, I really am, but I have a hard time believing that even keel pricing with i7 is the best strategy.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
If the Phenom II is on par with performance & power consumption with a C2Q, I will seriously be considering a new system. The only problem is what will I do with this 8400 machine...

Ummmm... why? Since you'll already have an Intel quad. Based on your sig.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
If the Phenom II is on par with performance & power consumption with a C2Q, I will seriously be considering a new system. The only problem is what will I do with this 8400 machine...

Ummmm... why? Since you'll already have an Intel quad. Based on your sig.

Why not

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Don't discount the fact that initial volume of Phenom II will be low as AMD will still be in the early stages of ramping 45nm production.

So while the initial Phenom II prices may place it at a non-competitive price/performance ratio relative to Yorkfield or Bloomfield, the fact that the Phenom II supply will be less than infinite could very well mean that AMD will still sell all the Phenom II's they can push out the door at those prices until their volume ramps thru Q1 and into Q2.

Supply curve shifts

Maybe, but those who know hardware and read sites like these will say "hey that Phenom costs $xx more than that Q9550 over there. It's not even faster in my games and current apps. I can save some cash and then buy the new WoW expansion or a better video card...sweet!"

or something to that effect.

That is the part of supply vs demand wherein the demand is reduced such that it is no longer outstripping the supply.

Which I'm saying will lose potential buyers.

What were those potential buyers going to buy?

If there are only 3 chips then it doesn't matter whether the price is so low that there are 20 potential buyers or if the price is high and there are only 10 potential buyers...because in a supply limited situation there will only be 3 buyers of those 3 CPU's.

Lowering price only helps increase actual buyers if supply exists for potential buyers to become actual buyers.

In the absence of supply there really is no point in attracting potential buyers who can't get anything (at any price) once the initial stock is depleted.

If nobody will buy it when it's expensive because it performs the same as cheaper options and people go for cheaper options, they won't sell CPUs. That's too hard to figure out?