Phenom II 710 or 920?

[Sniper82]

I need a new CPU/mobo combo while I have the money. I'd rather have the 920 since of course its a quad but my only problem is when I do go DDR3 and AM3 motherboard it won't be compatible, from what I read the Phenom II 710 will be if I want to transfer it over?

Or did I read wrong and the 710 needs AM3 and DDR3 now? When DDR3 and more AM3 boards are available and prices comes down a bit I want to move over.

 

[SunnyD]

All of the AM3 chips will work on AM2+ motherboards with DDR2. With the performance characteristic, there really isn't any need to get an AM3 board/DDR3 - the cost isn't justified (yet).

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
All of the AM3 chips will work on AM2+ motherboards with DDR2. With the performance characteristic, there really isn't any need to get an AM3 board/DDR3 - the cost isn't justified (yet).

Which would be the best way to go? Would the 710 likely need upgrading anyway once DDR3/AM3 is worth it?

 

[Markfw]

Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Why not just keep what you have? C2D @ 3 Ghz is pretty sweet. If you have to buy computer stuff "while I have the money", then you probably shouldn't be buying at all.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

I got a rev2 which means it only supports CPU's up to 1066. Rev 3 supports 1333 though. My GF needs a upgrade and I was gonna give her this board and my E6300@3ghz. Was gonna give myself a little upgrade.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Sniper82

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

I got a rev2 which means it only supports CPU's up to 1066. Rev 3 supports 1333 though. My GF needs a upgrade and I was gonna give her this board and my E6300@3ghz. Was gonna give myself a little upgrade.

It will support it....

But even if you did, why are you going AMD ? A Q8200 would OC to a bigher total speed (capability) than a 920, and an E8400 @ 4.0 ghz on a decent motherboard would probably tromp a 710.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Sniper82

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

I got a rev2 which means it only supports CPU's up to 1066. Rev 3 supports 1333 though. My GF needs a upgrade and I was gonna give her this board and my E6300@3ghz. Was gonna give myself a little upgrade.

It will support it....

But even if you did, why are you going AMD ? A Q8200 would OC to a bigher total speed (capability) than a 920, and an E8400 @ 4.0 ghz on a decent motherboard would probably tromp a 710.

Haven't you heard? All the cool kids are goin' AMD, that's why Newegg is charging 166 freakin' dollars for a 720.

What are Q8200's clocking to?

 

[Markfw]

Well, my 8200 is on a system with a weak power supply, and 2 9800 GT video cards, and they need the power, so I only get 2.8. But it still whoops my 940 BE@3.6

Yes, another thread I mention this in.... I just need to spread the word, and only the facts.

 

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Sniper82

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

I got a rev2 which means it only supports CPU's up to 1066. Rev 3 supports 1333 though. My GF needs a upgrade and I was gonna give her this board and my E6300@3ghz. Was gonna give myself a little upgrade.

It will support it....

But even if you did, why are you going AMD ? A Q8200 would OC to a bigher total speed (capability) than a 920, and an E8400 @ 4.0 ghz on a decent motherboard would probably tromp a 710.

Maybe cuz he doesn't want to fold? /sarcasm

 

[konakona]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Sniper82

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just pop an E8400 into that DS3. I am pretty sure it will work. Why do you need to replace the motherboard ?

I got a rev2 which means it only supports CPU's up to 1066. Rev 3 supports 1333 though. My GF needs a upgrade and I was gonna give her this board and my E6300@3ghz. Was gonna give myself a little upgrade.

It will support it....

But even if you did, why are you going AMD ? A Q8200 would OC to a bigher total speed (capability) than a 920, and an E8400 @ 4.0 ghz on a decent motherboard would probably tromp a 710.

Anandtech's very own article mentioned that non-i7 intel machines had some stutter/low min FPS for certain games as opposed to PII which don't. Granted, their c2d/c2q machines weren't OC'd to 4ghz IIRC. I know you are into F@H, but its quite meaningless for many others

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, my 8200 is on a system with a weak power supply, and 2 9800 GT video cards, and they need the power, so I only get 2.8. But it still whoops my 940 BE@3.6

Yes, another thread I mention this in.... I just need to spread the word, and only the facts.

It is very disingenuous to imply that a q8200 @ 2.8GHz "whoops" a Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHz

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Well, my 8200 is on a system with a weak power supply, and 2 9800 GT video cards, and they need the power, so I only get 2.8. But it still whoops my 940 BE@3.6

Yes, another thread I mention this in.... I just need to spread the word, and only the facts.

It is very disingenuous to imply that a q8200 @ 2.8GHz "whoops" a Phenom II 940 @ 3.6GHz

I was thinking that a Q8200 would need to clock within ~ 10% of the PhII 920 in order to match it, generally speaking.

I think most users do not consider F@H to be a core app, and for them Markfw900's opinion of the PhII is essentially meaningless. However, for those who do consider F@H of primary importance, then that info may be useful.

I wonder if Markfw900 is just enjoying himself, tweaking the AMD-backers.

 

[Markfw]

OK, why don't you pick some app I cam easily benchmark. I will do the Q8200 and the 940. Q8200@2.8 or 3.0, and the 940@3.6, best OC's I can get from each. Not games, they are rarely CPU dependent, and I grant you either one @ those speeds will probably be GPU restricted in most situations in games.

And I am not trying to be a fanboy, but most sites, don't take 2 chips, at the same price point, overclock them to the best they can get (stable) and then compare results. Thats what I do. Actually, that being the case, I probably need to compare to Q6600 or Q9450. The 940 is more than the 8200 by a bit, even more than the Q6600 !

 

[Sniper82]

I've decided to just wait lol. Right now does seem like a bad time to be upgrading. I ordered my GF a e5200 for $53 shipped from ewiz. I'll try to save up and upgrade when DDR3 is worth it. I feel like I am side stepping with anything other than i7.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK, why don't you pick some app I cam easily benchmark. I will do the Q8200 and the 940. Q8200@2.8 or 3.0, and the 940@3.6, best OC's I can get from each. Not games, they are rarely CPU dependent, and I grant you either one @ those speeds will probably be GPU restricted in most situations in games.

And I am not trying to be a fanboy, but most sites, don't take 2 chips, at the same price point, overclock them to the best they can get (stable) and then compare results. Thats what I do. Actually, that being the case, I probably need to compare to Q6600 or Q9450. The 940 is more than the 8200 by a bit, even more than the Q6600 !

If this is directed at me... I am not accusing you of being a fanboy at all. I merely wonder if the "over-enthusiasm" for PhII by the AMD-fanboi crowd has ignited a little bit of a mischievous streak in you... :evil:

AT - and some other sites - have done a good enough job (for me) with benchmarks that I know how PhII compares with C2Q in application that are important to me.

You actually bring up a good point about comparing competing CPUs at overclocked levels. I made a similar point in another thread,

Why do these "comparisons" always feature the "David" CPU overclocked and the "Goliath" CPU at stock speeds?

 

[SunnyD]

God, this is getting as bad as Wreckage and chizow NVIDIAing it up over in the Video forums.

For the love of chips people - why not just let people get what they want to get, not what YOU want them to get?

 

[Ichigo]

Going with Phenom II does give you more room for upgrades whereas getting a Core2/Quad kind of puts you at a dead end.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Going with Phenom II does give you more room for upgrades whereas getting a Core2/Quad kind of puts you at a dead end.

That's assuming that any PhII will ever surpass the Q9650 in overall performance, and that is unlikely. Realistically speaking, 775 and AM3 are mostly likely going to cap out at about the same overall performance level. It's just taking AMD longer to get there.

Originally posted by: SunnyD
God, this is getting as bad as Wreckage and chizow NVIDIAing it up over in the Video forums.

For the love of chips people - why not just let people get what they want to get, not what YOU want them to get?

But... but... the forum... we wouldn't have any forum left!

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Going with Phenom II does give you more room for upgrades whereas getting a Core2/Quad kind of puts you at a dead end.

That's assuming that any PhII will ever surpass the Q9650 in overall performance, and that is unlikely. Realistically speaking, 775 and AM3 are mostly likely going to cap out at about the same overall performance level. It's just taking AMD longer to get there.

Originally posted by: SunnyD
God, this is getting as bad as Wreckage and chizow NVIDIAing it up over in the Video forums.

For the love of chips people - why not just let people get what they want to get, not what YOU want them to get?

But... but... the forum... we wouldn't have any forum left!

That is a very accurate but very depressing picture you paint Flipped Gazelle. AMD's current and future platform will never beat the basically dead-ended socket775 from Intel. Look out 2009 and 2010 for AMD, tough times are a-coming.

 

[Sniper82]

since I decided to go with a e5200 for my GF I am wondering since I'm into o/cing and shes not would the E5200 be better off in my system? I heard they o/c better than the e6300 because the higher multiplier.

EDIT:nvm even it doesn't work in the rev2 Gigabyte DS3 :roll:

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Sniper82
since I decided to go with a e5200 for my GF I am wondering since I'm into o/cing and shes not would the E5200 be better off in my system? I heard they o/c better than the e6300 because the higher multiplier.

EDIT:nvm even it doesn't work in the rev2 Gigabyte DS3 :roll:

Time for new mobo?

 

[Markfw]

It works !!!

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
It works !!!

according to Gigabytes site it doesn't. Guess it wouldn't hurt to try when it gets here. Would it be the better chip if it does?

 

[Markfw]

Gigabyte says "unofficially" it works