PGE is on my case :(

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Oh, but it does absolve me 🙂
PUC rule 1.17 says they can only charge me for the last 3 months of undercharges 😀

And if you take advantage of it you're a scumbag like the rest of the criminals out there.

I didn't tell PGE about that rule, they told me. I don't see how I did anything immoral, much less illegal.
I didn't cause this problem, PGE did. They made a mistake, they paid for it. I am not their auditor, so it's not my job to find their mistakes unless they effect me negatively. I will pay this bill. But first I am going to try to get it reduced. If it doesn't work, nothing ventured, nothing lost.

Its a public company. Everyone pays for the mistake that you so conveniently ignored. A sin of ommission is a sin nonetheless.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Big friggin deal. Pay the goddamn 3 months of power bill. It's a good deal.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Oh, but it does absolve me 🙂
PUC rule 1.17 says they can only charge me for the last 3 months of undercharges 😀

And if you take advantage of it you're a scumbag like the rest of the criminals out there.

I didn't tell PGE about that rule, they told me. I don't see how I did anything immoral, much less illegal.
I didn't cause this problem, PGE did. They made a mistake, they paid for it. I am not their auditor, so it's not my job to find their mistakes unless they effect me negatively. I will pay this bill. But first I am going to try to get it reduced. If it doesn't work, nothing ventured, nothing lost.

Its a public company. Everyone pays for the mistake that you so conveniently ignored. A sin of ommission is a sin nonetheless.

Public company? What are you talking about? It's a private company. So investors pay. And if you invest in a company that takes 13 months to get the billing right, tough. Maybe you should put your money into a company that knows how to run its business right.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by:


The trouble in your logic is the fact that you knew it didn't cost $4. This isn't the same situation where you deal with them once and you're done. This is a recurring business transaction. If you screw them over, prepare to have the favor returned.

-silver

Here is the crux of the discussion. You started out acknowledging that the bill was inordinately low, was that way for months on end, and that you were too"shy"

to call in and discuss your business with them. The fault is yours. I suggest you re-read your customer contract with them. Welcome to The Real World <not the eMpTyV version.

What customer contract? I called them and asked to connect the power. I don't remember them saying if my bill was too low to let them know.

The one where you called and agreed to pay the rate. A contract is an agreement between parties. You used, you pay. BTW, it's people like you (who abuse a system) who cause rates to go up, customer service reps to have a bad day and a further decline in Western Civilization... well maybe the last one is a bit much, but geez man, PAY the bill. BTW, if they disconnect you for failure to pay it shows on your credit report. When I bought my house, I found an old PG&E collection from an apartment during my credit report check. They got their money. Another reason to write the check yourself when dealing with roommates.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by:


The trouble in your logic is the fact that you knew it didn't cost $4. This isn't the same situation where you deal with them once and you're done. This is a recurring business transaction. If you screw them over, prepare to have the favor returned.

-silver

Here is the crux of the discussion. You started out acknowledging that the bill was inordinately low, was that way for months on end, and that you were too"shy"

to call in and discuss your business with them. The fault is yours. I suggest you re-read your customer contract with them. Welcome to The Real World <not the eMpTyV version.

What customer contract? I called them and asked to connect the power. I don't remember them saying if my bill was too low to let them know.

The one where you called and agreed to pay the rate. A contract is an agreement between parties. You used, you pay. BTW, it's people like you (who abuse a system) who cause rates to go up, customer service reps to have a bad day and a further decline in Western Civilization... well maybe the last one is a bit much, but geez man, PAY the bill. BTW, if they disconnect you for failure to pay it shows on your credit report. When I bought my house, I found an old PG&E collection from an apartment during my credit report check. They got their money. Another reason to write the check yourself when dealing with roommates.

Did you not read this thread?
I agreed to pay the rate, and I paid the rate. It's their job to bill the rate to me, it's my job to pay it. I sure as hell did mine.
And yes, I will pay this bill. I will call them on tuesday to make sure they are billing me right now. 600KWh a month for a studio apartment seems too much to me. That's like 20 KWh/day or 1kWh/hr or 1kW continuous energy use. that's like 10 100 watt bulbs on all the time. I have my computer on about 8 hrs a day, and my television. Maybe 2 lightbulbs on for 5 hrs a day. Fridge, heater set on 70 degrees at night. I still don't see how that could add up to 1kW average energy use. Maybe 500 watts at most.

 

[bsobel]

Public company? What are you talking about? It's a private company. So investors pay. And if you invest in a company that takes 13 months to get the billing right, tough. Maybe you should put your money into a company that knows how to run its business right.

They are a public company, traded on the NYSE, stock symbol PCG. Perhaps you need to learn the difference between a public and private company (and pull your head out of your a, er nevermind....)

Bill

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Public company? What are you talking about? It's a private company. So investors pay. And if you invest in a company that takes 13 months to get the billing right, tough. Maybe you should put your money into a company that knows how to run its business right.

They are a public company, traded on the NYSE, stock symbol PCG. Perhaps you need to learn the difference between a public and private company (and pull your head out of your a, er nevermind....)

Bill

They are a publicly traded private company. To me public company means state owned. Like public school vs private school.

 

[AlienCraft]

Yes , I've read this entire thread. And I was encouraged to see you say that you were going to pay what they were asking from you. I'm simply answering your questions. You had asked "what contract?" and I wasn't sure if you were serious or not. I'm sure you're aware you've entered into a contract with them, with it's subsequent responsibilities, on both sides. I'm not so sure that you understand why they have the right to come back and re-bill you if the original bills were in error, but that really isn't my problem. You will notice I'm not suggestiong you pay the huge amount, simply that you pay the negotiated/ reduced amount.
Do you have Electric heat? That will jack up the bill quickly. I'll avoid the conservation lecture, I'm sure you've gotten enough of that. Good luck with them, BTW.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by:


The trouble in your logic is the fact that you knew it didn't cost $4. This isn't the same situation where you deal with them once and you're done. This is a recurring business transaction. If you screw them over, prepare to have the favor returned.

-silver

Here is the crux of the discussion. You started out acknowledging that the bill was inordinately low, was that way for months on end, and that you were too"shy"

to call in and discuss your business with them. The fault is yours. I suggest you re-read your customer contract with them. Welcome to The Real World <not the eMpTyV version.

What customer contract? I called them and asked to connect the power. I don't remember them saying if my bill was too low to let them know.

The one where you called and agreed to pay the rate. A contract is an agreement between parties. You used, you pay. BTW, it's people like you (who abuse a system) who cause rates to go up, customer service reps to have a bad day and a further decline in Western Civilization... well maybe the last one is a bit much, but geez man, PAY the bill. BTW, if they disconnect you for failure to pay it shows on your credit report. When I bought my house, I found an old PG&E collection from an apartment during my credit report check. They got their money. Another reason to write the check yourself when dealing with roommates.

Did you not read this thread?
I agreed to pay the rate, and I paid the rate. It's their job to bill the rate to me, it's my job to pay it. I sure as hell did mine.
And yes, I will pay this bill. I will call them on tuesday to make sure they are billing me right now. 600KWh a month for a studio apartment seems too much to me. That's like 20 KWh/day or 1kWh/hr or 1kW continuous energy use. that's like 10 100 watt bulbs on all the time. I have my computer on about 8 hrs a day, and my television. Maybe 2 lightbulbs on for 5 hrs a day. Fridge, heater set on 70 degrees at night. I still don't see how that could add up to 1kW average energy use. Maybe 500 watts at most.

When you agree to pay that rate, you also agree to pay for at least 3 months of underpayment, if any.

 

[BruinEd03]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: BruinEd03

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Look, they already gave me 10 months of free electricity, what's 3 more for customer satisfaction? 😀
When I say waste electricity, I mean leave computer on all the time. Not stuff like turning on the oven, the stove, the heater and iron, and going on vacation.
This is my first apartment, and I really didn't know how much electricity would cost. It is only a studio after all. Maybe 20 bux is reasonable. But 60? I will admit $4 seemed kind of low.

60 seems about right....our apt bill for a 2 bedroom is 100+ a month in the LA area. Btw think about it this way...you've already got a huge discount...is it really worth the hassle that they might charge you for the whole 13 months? Just pay it dude.

-Ed

You pay $100 a month for a 2 bedroom? You're getting scammed! I pay $60 month for a 2 bedroom with at least 2 computers on 24 hours a day.

oops i meant 100/110 every two months 😱

-Ed

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I think the point you are missing is that, like most everyone else here, I probably wouldn't have called them and told them they were making a mistake. I would have done what you did; just pay the bill that came. However, I also would be waiting for when they caught on, and would pay whatever bill they came up with.

yeap just what i would have done. But i would have put what i thought it should cost away in a jar for when they found out. I might get a good deal like supertool got. But i wouldn?t be the dick he is and i would just pay it.


You think a public company is state owned? hahahahah oh man that?s good.

Really you have to be putting us on. Nobody is that dumb.


edit: heh i pay $80 a month for electric. 2 computers on 24/7 plus 3 snake cages

 

[TNTrulez]

No free electricity for you.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
No free electricity for you.

I am afraid not 😉
Maybe I move again and see what happens 😀