Pettite or Mussina in a big game? Pettite or Mussina, either HOFers?

[PlatinumGold]

both of these are very interesting cases for the HOF in my opinion.

Pettite was never the best pitcher of his generation, rarely the best pitcher on his own team, but he was HUGE in the playoffs, next to john smoltz mb the most CLUTCH pitcher of this generation.


Mussina was never the best pitcher of his generation, rarly the best pitcher on his own team, but he has some pretty amazing numbers. after glavine and big unit, mussina has the most wins. not only will no other starting pitcher break 300 wins any time soon, i doubt many pitchers will exceed 250. with the 5 man rotations, 6 inning pitchers etc, i think 250 wins will become the new 300 wins. it will be very hard to achieve.



so, given that, are either HOF candidates?


clearly in my opinion, pettite is the guy i'd rather have pitching in a clutch situation.

as far as HOF, i think mussina might make it.

 

[Tiamat]

Pettite, no doubt in my mind

edit: and what I mean by that is that I would rather have pettite pitch now when it really counts. Mussina isnt a bad pitcher, but i don't trust his pitching as much as i would Pettite at the end of the season.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
Pettite, no doubt in my mind

edit: and what I mean by that is that I would rather have pettite pitch now when it really counts. Mussina isnt a bad pitcher, but i don't trust his pitching as much as i would Pettite at the end of the season.

what about HOF?

i think pettite might be the most underrated pitcher.

 

[PlatinumGold]

pettite, another great game, 6+ shut out innings to preserve a 1 run lead. whether the yankees win tonite or not, you can't deny pettite's contribution.

he is a BIG time pitcher.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Neither

 

[Al Neri]

Neither will go to the HOF.

Trust ME

 

[mooglemania85]

Petite: W 201 L 113 ERA 3.84

ERA sucks, but you have to look at it considering the inflated ERAs in the AL over the past 15yrs.
If he gets closer to 300 wins I think he has a shot, given how well he's pitched in th epostseason.

Mussina? No.

 

[sciencewhiz]

From baseball-reference.com:

Pettite:
Black Ink: Pitching - 7 (320) (Average HOFer ? 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 102 (198) (Average HOFer ? 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 34.0 (101) (Average HOFer ? 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 102.0 (91) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

Mussina:
Black Ink: Pitching - 14 (150) (Average HOFer ? 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 230 (28) (Average HOFer ? 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 51.0 (32) (Average HOFer ? 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 114.0 (74) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

 

[mooglemania85]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
From baseball-reference.com:

Pettite:
Black Ink: Pitching - 7 (320) (Average HOFer ? 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 102 (198) (Average HOFer ? 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 34.0 (101) (Average HOFer ? 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 102.0 (91) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

Mussina:
Black Ink: Pitching - 14 (150) (Average HOFer ? 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 230 (28) (Average HOFer ? 185)
HOF Standards: Pitching - 51.0 (32) (Average HOFer ? 50)
HOF Monitor: Pitching - 114.0 (74) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Not a chance for either one of those pitchers. At all. Whatsoever.

 

[Jschmuck2]

And comparing Andy Pettite to John Smoltz isn't really a valid comparison. John Smoltz has 150 saves and 200 wins. He is the only pitcher in baseball history to do that. Andy Pettite is Roger Clemens' best friend.

Big Difference.

 

[Captante]

Andy Pettite is one of the best "big game" pitchers I've ever seen, but his regular season numbers just are not HOF worthy.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Not a chance for either one of those pitchers. At all. Whatsoever.

I have to agree. Andy has been clutch but certainly not HOF though.