Peter Arnett wastes no time in getting a new job

[charrison]

The Mirror - More US Failure

 

[Insane3D]

I thought he was going to be tried for treason and hung....right?

Edit:

I just read the article, and it seems fine to me. Why are we so afraid of reporters reporting news that isn't in our favor? I don't see anything in that article that is outrageous or favoring Iraq...it just sounds like he is reporting what he is seeing. I'm sure there are several here who will disagree..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I thought he was going to be tried for treason and hung....right?

Edit:

I just read the article, and it seems fine to me. Why are we so afraid of reporters reporting news that isn't in our favor? I don't see anything in that article that is outrageous or favoring Iraq...it just sounds like he is reporting what he is seeing. I'm sure there are several here who will disagree..

Makes me wonder about the parts of his interview with Iraqi TV we didn't see. When taken out of context sound Bytes can be portrayed as being anything those reporting it want it to be. However I still think it was very stupid on his p-art to give an ionterview with Iraqi TV.

 

[da loser]

well i just saw his whole interview on c-span, it's pretty short. most of the clips were shown. he said a few more things:mentioned the market the us said possibly be iraqi aa said by the us, but clearly the iraqi officials have made it clear that it was us missiles. forgot what else, hopefully they show it again later today. the whole tone is pretty clear though, he allowed himself to be used as a propaganda tool.

that article is pretty much what he was trying to say, but that tone in the article is much more understanding than his interview.

 

[PsychoAndy]

It's not so much that he's reporting news that isn't in our favor than it is the fact that he is interjecting personal opinion into his reporting.

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

 

[Tripleshot]

I think this was a knee jerk over reaction and capitulation by the network to appease someone like Rumsfield. This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now. People can hire and fire who they want, but this to me was just plain wrong. Discipline,---- maybe yes, but career ruined,--- no freakin way. This is stupid, as well as dangerous. This smacks of censorship being dealt out by our adminisitration, or the right wing powers that actually control this adminstration.

I want to be informed, I want the truth. I do not trust my government to be the guardian of that truth. Why? Because I work for the government. I know what they can do. The media is the balance needed, and your own judgement and power of decernment should suffice to give you the ability to reason what is right and what is wrong.

Just my $.02 on this issue.

Carry on.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I think this was a knee jerk over reaction and capitulation by the network to appease someone like Rumsfield. This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now. People can hire and fire who they want, but this to me was just plain wrong. Discipline,---- maybe yes, but career ruined,--- no freakin way. This is stupid, as well as dangerous. This smacks of censorship being dealt out by our adminisitration, or the right wing powers that actually control this adminstration.

I want to be informed, I want the truth. I do not trust my government to be the guardian of that truth. Why? Because I work for the government. I know what they can do. The media is the balance needed, and your own judgement and power of decernment should suffice to give you the ability to reason what is right and what is wrong.

Just my $.02 on this issue.

Carry on.

He's a madman, he's a loose cannon!

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I think this was a knee jerk over reaction and capitulation by the network to appease someone like Rumsfield. This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now. People can hire and fire who they want, but this to me was just plain wrong. Discipline,---- maybe yes, but career ruined,--- no freakin way. This is stupid, as well as dangerous. This smacks of censorship being dealt out by our adminisitration, or the right wing powers that actually control this adminstration.

I want to be informed, I want the truth. I do not trust my government to be the guardian of that truth. Why? Because I work for the government. I know what they can do. The media is the balance needed, and your own judgement and power of decernment should suffice to give you the ability to reason what is right and what is wrong.

Just my $.02 on this issue.

Carry on.

He's a madman, he's a loose cannon!

Pot --> kettle Kettlle----> black

Nuff said.

 

[shiner]

"This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now."
Bwahahaha.....that's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Thanks for the laugh!!!!

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I think this was a knee jerk over reaction and capitulation by the network to appease someone like Rumsfield. This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now. People can hire and fire who they want, but this to me was just plain wrong. Discipline,---- maybe yes, but career ruined,--- no freakin way. This is stupid, as well as dangerous. This smacks of censorship being dealt out by our adminisitration, or the right wing powers that actually control this adminstration.

Surely you jest about Arnett having an unblemished record.

Last week, Peter Arnett of CNN ran an exposé of an alleged American atrocity in Vietnam--the use of the internationally banned nerve gas Sarin against a Laotian village. His "source" for the story was Robert Van Buskirk, a man thrown out of the Army for gunrunning, who uncovered a "hidden memory" of the incident fourteen years after writing a Vietnam memoir that failed to mention the use of Sarin. After the story ran, CNN's military expert resigned in protest over what he termed a "terrible mistake? wrong in all dimensions." The other interviewees who were used to "confirm" Van Buskirk's story have said their quotes were used out of context.

Link where above quote was taken from

Arnett's Sarin Story Discrepencies

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
It's not so much that he's reporting news that isn't in our favor than it is the fact that he is interjecting personal opinion into his reporting.

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

In all fairness, he was interviewed and answered the questions honestly. Arnett sounds like a stand up guy who will say what he believes in, unlike most of the American media who will say what the Pentagon wants them to say. Lets be honest here, where is the rebellion? Its been almost 2 weeks and they still don't have Basra. The war isn't exactly going as planned and wouldn't be surprised if it takes them until May to capture Baghdad. Watch an international newscast if possible, the war coverage in the US blows.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
It's not so much that he's reporting news that isn't in our favor than it is the fact that he is interjecting personal opinion into his reporting.

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

In all fairness, he was interviewed and answered the questions honestly. Arnett sounds like a stand up guy who will say what he believes in, unlike most of the American media who will say what the Pentagon wants them to say. Lets be honest here, where is the rebellion? Its been almost 2 weeks and they still don't have Basra. The war isn't exactly going as planned and wouldn't be surprised if it takes them until May to capture Baghdad. Watch an international newscast if possible, the war coverage in the US blows.

So you are saying that no truth ever comes from the pentagon?

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I think this was a knee jerk over reaction and capitulation by the network to appease someone like Rumsfield. This was a talented and valued reporter of the truth, his record unblemished until now. People can hire and fire who they want, but this to me was just plain wrong. Discipline,---- maybe yes, but career ruined,--- no freakin way. This is stupid, as well as dangerous. This smacks of censorship being dealt out by our adminisitration, or the right wing powers that actually control this adminstration.

I want to be informed, I want the truth. I do not trust my government to be the guardian of that truth. Why? Because I work for the government. I know what they can do. The media is the balance needed, and your own judgement and power of decernment should suffice to give you the ability to reason what is right and what is wrong.

Just my $.02 on this issue.

Carry on.

You will have difficulties to get to the 'truth' in Iraq, since all the media are gvt. controlled and there is no such thing like freedom of speech/opinions and balanced news coverage IN IRAQ. For starters....

"
ARNETT: Well, I'd like to say from the beginning that the 12 years I've been coming here, I've met unfailing courtesy and cooperation. Courtesy from your people, and cooperation from the Ministry of Information, which has allowed me and many other reporters to cover 12 whole years since the Gulf War with a degree of freedom which we appreciate. And that is continuing today.
"

What about the other reporters all kicked out of the country ??? AND WHY where they kicked out ???? Why can no western reporter walk freely in Iraq and just report news? Only with some gvt. people nearby showing them around ? And what about the two allegedly killed journalists in Iraq ???
And this guy talks about 'a degree of freedom/cooperation we apppreciate' etc..etc....

Sorry, that's ridiculous !

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It wasn't long ago that we were courting Al Jazeera in hopes of putting out the good word about our intentions. It's a ridiculous notion that Arnett's criticism on MSNBC is mistake but on Iraqi TV it's treasonous . . . he's not a US citizen anyway. If the 3rd ID was rolling through Baghdad today do you think Arnett would be on Iraqi TV talking about a failed war plan that misunderstood the people of Iraq?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
It wasn't long ago that we were courting Al Jazeera in hopes of putting out the good word about our intentions. It's a ridiculous notion that Arnett's criticism on MSNBC is mistake but on Iraqi TV it's treasonous . . . he's not a US citizen anyway. If the 3rd ID was rolling through Baghdad today do you think Arnett would be on Iraqi TV talking about a failed war plan that misunderstood the people of Iraq?

I thought he was a naturalized U.S. citizen.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

So you are saying that no truth ever comes from the pentagon?

Depends on your definition of truth . . . it was interesting when one of the press stood up last week during a briefing and asked (paraphrase) " . . . what's the frickin' point of these briefings other than showing video and you telling us the US is on plan, making progress, and going to win . . ."

Another gem was a reporter asking to see video of a missile missing its target. Brigadier Gen, "I don't have any videos of a missed target."

The Pentagon has been PsyOps crazy from the get go. I wish them great success in convincing Iraqis to surrender, if not fight with us against Saddam. But only a fool would confuse Pentagon briefings with truth and even moderate disclosure. There are plenty of good reasons to keep somethings on the DL . . . not the least of which is keeping the bad news to a minimum.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I thought he was a naturalized U.S. citizen.

My bad . . . nevermind . . . he's still not a real citizen.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
It's not so much that he's reporting news that isn't in our favor than it is the fact that he is interjecting personal opinion into his reporting.

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

In all fairness, he was interviewed and answered the questions honestly. Arnett sounds like a stand up guy who will say what he believes in, unlike most of the American media who will say what the Pentagon wants them to say. Lets be honest here, where is the rebellion? Its been almost 2 weeks and they still don't have Basra. The war isn't exactly going as planned and wouldn't be surprised if it takes them until May to capture Baghdad. Watch an international newscast if possible, the war coverage in the US blows.

So you are saying that no truth ever comes from the pentagon?

We'll lets just say that they only report what they want you to hear unless they are forced to report the truth.

 

[BOBDN]

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

He's a madman, he's a loose cannon!

Listen to what you're saying! Hannity and Colmes? O'Reilly? This is where you get your world view?

If you consider Peter Arnett a madman there is no superlative strong enough to describe the people you cite on these "editorial shows."

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Now, on editorial shows such as Hannity and Colmes, Larry King, or O'Reilly, that's perfectly fine, that's what's they're paid millions to do. But if you're a bona-fide reporter, you're supposed to be impartial and not interject opinion into your reports from Iraq.

He's a madman, he's a loose cannon!

Listen to what you're saying! Hannity and Colmes? O'Reilly? This is where you get your world view?

If you consider Peter Arnett a madman there is no superlative strong enough to describe the people you cite on these "editorial shows."

Perhaps he's capable of critical thinking and listens to views from both ends of the spectrum before making a desicion...unlike you who seem to immediately disqualify anyone who doesn't agree with your world view?

 

[etech]

Do some research on Arnett and his reporting of US forces using Sarin nerve gas in Vietnam.

The story was proven to be a complete fake. Arnett does not seem to have any credibility left.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I know nothing about Arnett's sarin gas story . . . but I will take you at your word that he wrote something that was proven to be false. If every person with one blemish (even a big one) was excluded from having a say . . . who would be speaking? You don't hear much about the anodized aluminum tubes or the Nigerian nukes anymore . . . I wonder why?

If we are going to discredit networks based on less than stellar correspondents . . . FOXNews has Geraldo AND Ollie . . . alternating liars and imbeciles . . . take your pick.

If the guy filed a story he KNEW was false . . . EVERYONE should question EVERY report he files. By the same token the next chemical weapons factory noted by FOX or SkyNews should be taken with a big ampule of atropine.

 

[Insane3D]

Arnett does not seem to have any credibility left.

Did he not win a Pulitzer? He must have had some credibility and reporting skills to jusitfy that award.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I know nothing about Arnett's sarin gas story . . . but I will take you at your word that he wrote something that was proven to be false. If every person with one blemish (even a big one) was excluded from having a say . . . who would be speaking? You don't hear much about the anodized aluminum tubes or the Nigerian nukes anymore . . . I wonder why?

If we are going to discredit networks based on less than stellar correspondents . . . FOXNews has Geraldo AND Ollie . . . alternating liars and imbeciles . . . take your pick.

If the guy filed a story he KNEW was false . . . EVERYONE should question EVERY report he files. By the same token the next chemical weapons factory noted by FOX or SkyNews should be taken with a big ampule of atropine.

Is it the job of a reporter to report the news or make the news?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Ask Woodward . . . Bernstein might require Miss Cleo.