Victorian Gray
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Yea, I personally feel like she's a solid candidate. I especially agree with her take on drugs.
And she's an Assad apologist/enabler as well.
Yea, I personally feel like she's a solid candidate. I especially agree with her take on drugs.
And she's an Assad apologist/enabler as well.
As long as we remember the president doesn't rule like a king, and there's many people around him/her to discuss strategy with.
It's always been evident Trump doesn't understand this. Having someone who's reasonable and doesn't speak in word salads will not only be refreshing, but a reminder that this country is run by teams of people
I don't trust her in the least. Anyone who can cosy up the butchers like Assad is not someone I could ever support. You have a whole bunch of better candidates than her. <shrug>
Oh, I agree. I doubt she'll get the primary win. I won't be tossing in for her. Yet, if fellow Americans do, I'll vote for her over Trump, no contest.
Damn, if it ever ended with a choice like that I think I'd consider leaving the country.I get your point but , damn. I really don't trust her any more than Trump.
Haha, well...I dont know about her upbringing, bit what I do know about her sets her apart from Trump already.
Besides, Canada wont take me, so here I stay![]()
Haha, well...I dont know about her upbringing, bit what I do know about her sets her apart from Trump already.
Besides, Canada wont take me, so here I stay![]()
It's the damn Bible-Thumpers.You know, it's funny, it never even occurred to me to give a shit about whether or not he's a homosexual (I actually didn't even know until this thread, call me out of touch). You should stop caring too, as should everyone else.
If he's a good president, he's a good president.
Oh, no, I do understand what's being talked about here. I just maintain that it's just as ridiculous. Electability is only in question for those that thing it's a hindrance, either to themselves or others. If it doesn't occur to you that it could be a hindrance, it's not something to question.You are conflating two very different positions here. One, that someone shouldn't be POTUS because they are gay. Two, that in this political environment someone might not be electable because they're gay. We are talking about the latter here, not the former. I'd be thrilled to have our first LGBT POTUS, and I think Pete is amazing and I might still vote for him anyway in spite of electability concerns, sadly I can't fault other dems for being concerned about electability, not this time, not with Trump threatening to literally destroy democracy if allowed to continue on.
Oh, no, I do understand what's being talked about here. I just maintain that it's just as ridiculous. Electability is only in question for those that thing it's a hindrance, either to themselves or others. If it doesn't occur to you that it could be a hindrance, it's not something to question.
Since clearly the bar for presidency has been lowered to basically underground at this point, if you feel that the electability of a gay president is in question, there must be a ton of other things a gay person is also 'unhirable' for.
Now what's actually in question regarding his electability is the fact he's a Democrat, which is shared amongst all candidates. I honestly think we're at a minimum right now when it comes to swing voters so it likely doesn't matter who ends up against Trump, they're going to get all the non-trump votes. That's just my opinion though.
Maybe I'm just ornery because I haven't had my coffee yet, but if voters are willing to not vote just because the candidate is gay, we probably deserve to have Trump for another 4y. Especially if the vote is close enough that those few voters swing the vote.while this makes sense, we know that americans aren't necessarily sensible.
maybe i'm wrong, but my concerns about Pete are basically due to religions inherent influence in our country. that can be applied to both main parties, and obviously to varying degrees. There are still quite a few Democrat voters who are conservatives socially, specifically in terms of the LGBTQ community. I don't think those voters will vote Trump, I just think they won't go to the polls at all.
Maybe I'm just ornery because I haven't had my coffee yet, but if voters are willing to not vote just because the candidate is gay, we probably deserve to have Trump for another 4y. Especially if the vote is close enough that those few voters swing the vote.
So we had a black president....
A lot of people here think a woman president will be very soon....
Then down the line we will hopefully have a gay president.....
My question is: How long until we have an outspoken atheist as our president?
The heads explode due to citizen ignorance about the secular nature of constitutional government. However, even an atheist executive must connect with believers on the matter of secular morality.I'm looking forward to the reaction from the first President who gets asked "How does God factor into your policies?". "He doesn't". Heads explode.
