Pesticides threaten birds and bees alike, study says

[Texashiker]

Another reason to support GMO. Just sayin.

GMOs drive up the use of pesticides.

What happens, there is always going to be a strain of weed that is resistant to GMO and pesticides. Over several years those resistant weeds replace the non-resistant weeds.

Farmers were warned to plant a certain amount of non-GMO crops so the resistant weeds and pest did not spread. What happened? Those warnings were ignored. Farmers planted mostly GMO corn and soy bean.

Now in the mid-west, south america and central america pesticide and herbicide use is sky rocketing. It has gotten so bad, farmers kidneys are failing and certain cancers are on the rise.

GMO crops are going to be just as prone to diseases and pest as non-GMO because of resistance.

After a few years of planting GMO crops, pesticide and herbicide use is higher than with non-GMO crops.

Related article - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-usa-study-pesticides-idUSBRE89100X20121002

 

[glenn1]

GMOs drive up the use of pesticides.

What happens, there is always going to be a strain of weed that is resistant to GMO and pesticides. Over several years those resistant weeds replace the non-resistant weeds.

Farmers were warned to plant a certain amount of non-GMO crops so the resistant weeds and pest did not spread. What happened? Those warnings were ignored. Farmers planted mostly GMO corn and soy bean.

Now in the mid-west, south america and central america pesticide and herbicide use is sky rocketing. It has gotten so bad, farmers kidneys are failing and certain cancers are on the rise.

GMO crops are going to be just as prone to diseases and pest as non-GMO because of resistance.

After a few years of planting GMO crops, pesticide and herbicide use is higher than with non-GMO crops.

Related article - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-usa-study-pesticides-idUSBRE89100X20121002

Funny how the Venn diagram of anti-GMO people vs. anti-vaccine people is basically a single circle.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Whoa!!! Super GMO weeds and insects.

Maybe some of the 50's and 60's movies will actually happen in real life.

 

[Atreus21]

No surprise that pesticides are going to have some casualties. Like most things, there are no perfect solutions. Only tradeoffs. We get better crop yields and can thus feed more people, but we also get the side effects. We should mitigate the bad effects as best we can, but to say that all pesticides are evil is silly.

 

[Texashiker]

Funny how the Venn diagram of anti-GMO people vs. anti-vaccine people is basically a single circle.

Even Monsanto warned farmers about planting too many GMO crops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ng-epa-rules/2012/02/09/gIQAdUKjBR_story.html

Monsanto Co. and other seedmakers reported a threefold increase last year in U.S. farmers caught violating rules intended to stop insects from developing resistance to genetically modified corn.

Now we are left with super weeds and resistant pest that require stronger pesticides and herbicides to kill.

This increased use of pesticides are harming birds and bees.

 

[Brainonska511]

GMOs drive up the use of pesticides.

What happens, there is always going to be a strain of weed that is resistant to GMO and pesticides. Over several years those resistant weeds replace the non-resistant weeds.

Farmers were warned to plant a certain amount of non-GMO crops so the resistant weeds and pest did not spread. What happened? Those warnings were ignored. Farmers planted mostly GMO corn and soy bean.

Now in the mid-west, south america and central america pesticide and herbicide use is sky rocketing. It has gotten so bad, farmers kidneys are failing and certain cancers are on the rise.

GMO crops are going to be just as prone to diseases and pest as non-GMO because of resistance.

After a few years of planting GMO crops, pesticide and herbicide use is higher than with non-GMO crops.

Related article - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-usa-study-pesticides-idUSBRE89100X20121002

A) GMOs have little or nothing to do with neonicotinoids. Neonicotinoids are insecticides derived from nicotine. Did you know that nicotine (but not necessarily the synthetic derivatives) is considered an organic pesticide? http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/4DMG/PHC/psticid2.htm

B) Your claim of kidney diseases: got a link for this?

C) Resistant-to-herbicide weeds: Color me shocked. The evolutionary battle between plants has been waged for millions upon millions of years. It's the same reason we have antibiotic resistant bacteria. That's part of the reason to continue developing new herbicides are are highly selective for the weeds of interest and/or developing plants that are resistant to your new herbicide. And remember, synthetic is not synonymous with toxic. Round-up (aka glyophosate) is relatively benign, compared to other, more toxic "natural" or "synthetic" herbicides.

D) GMOs can drive down the use of pesticides, as now you can use a single application of a stronger pesticide, or the plant itself can now fend off insects and weeds.

Funny how the Venn diagram of anti-GMO people vs. anti-vaccine people is basically a single circle.

That would not surprise me one bit.

 

[Texashiker]

A) GMOs have little or nothing to do with neonicotinoids.

B) Your claim of kidney diseases: got a link for this?

C) Resistant-to-herbicide weeds:

D) GMOs can drive down the use of pesticides, as now you can use a single application of a stronger pesticide, or the plant itself can now fend off insects and weeds.

Link? Take your pick - https://www.google.com/#q=pesticide+linked+to+kidney+failure

Corn root worm evolved to be GMO resistant - http://www.wired.com/2014/03/rootworm-resistance-bt-corn/

As for D, there are numerous articles, studies, charts proving GMO eventually leads to more pesticide use.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoffman/2013/07/02/gmo-crops-mean-more-herbicide-not-less/

There are some charts at that Forbes link, take a look.

 

[xBiffx]

GMOs drive up the use of pesticides.

Patently false. Many GMO crops are engineered to mimic naturally expressing insecticides in plants, i.e. BT.

What happens, there is always going to be a strain of weed that is resistant to GMO and pesticides. Over several years those resistant weeds replace the non-resistant weeds.

We are talking about pesticides, not herbicides. Herp derp.

 

[xBiffx]

Corn root worm evolved to be GMO resistant

No, it simply didn't. It's been resist to BT because BT occurs in nature.

As for D, there are numerous articles, studies, charts proving GMO eventually leads to more pesticide use.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethhoff...cide-not-less/

There are some charts at that Forbes link, take a look.

Again, its mostly dealing with herbicides, not pesticides. Its doing a bang up job of conflating the two, as are you. And that herbicide claim is on shaky ground as well, but that's another thread/topic.

 

[Texashiker]

Patently false. Many GMO crops are engineered to mimic naturally expressing insecticides in plants, i.e. BT.

We are talking about pesticides, not herbicides. Herp derp.

No, it simply didn't. It's been resist to BT because BT occurs in nature.

Again, its mostly dealing with herbicides, not pesticides. Its doing a bang up job of conflating the two, as are you. And that herbicide claim is on shaky ground as well, but that's another thread/topic.

There is study after study after study that proves you wrong.

When GMOs are introduced to an area there is an initial drop in pesticide and herbicide use.

As the pest adapt and develop resistance, you do not know resistance is dont you, pesticide use increases.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-usa-study-pesticides-idUSBRE89100X20121002

Genetically engineered crops have led to an increase in overall pesticide use, by 404 million pounds from the time they were introduced in 1996 through 2011, according to the report by Charles Benbrook, a research professor at the Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources at Washington State University.

You somehow know more than a professor at Washington State University? What university do you teach at? For that matter when was the last time you had a garden? Have you ever even grown corn?

I understand you're confusion caused by the lies being told about GMO crops being a GOD send. Please understand you have been lied to.

Over reliance on GMO crops has led to pest developing resistance. This is no different that people developing resistance to a disease, it is called evolution and natural selection.

The weaker bugs died off, the strong survived and are breeding faster than science can keep up.

GMO is a circle, new seed introduced, pest develop resistance, use pesticide until new seeds can be developed, new seed introduced, pest develop resistance,,,, it is a never ending circle. Just as bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics, pest develop resistance to GMO crops.

The problem is the bugs get stronger and more resistant with every passing generation.

 

[xBiffx]

There is study after study after study that proves you wrong.

When GMOs are introduced to an area there is an initial drop in pesticide and herbicide use.

As the pest adapt and develop resistance, you do not know resistance is dont you, pesticide use increases.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/02/us-usa-study-pesticides-idUSBRE89100X20121002



You somehow know more than a professor at Washington State University? What university do you teach at? For that matter when was the last time you had a garden? Have you ever even grown corn?

I understand you're confusion caused by the lies being told about GMO crops being a GOD send. Please understand you have been lied to.

Over reliance on GMO crops has led to pest developing resistance. This is no different that people developing resistance to a disease, it is called evolution and natural selection.

The weaker bugs died off, the strong survived and are breeding faster than science can keep up.

GMO is a circle, new seed introduced, pest develop resistance, use pesticide until new seeds can be developed, new seed introduced, pest develop resistance,,,, it is a never ending circle. Just as bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics, pest develop resistance to GMO crops.

The problem is the bugs get stronger and more resistant with every passing generation.

Um, how is an insect having resistance against a naturally occurring toxin the fault of GMO? There is nowhere that it directly links GMO to insecticide use. All it says is that GMOs use BT and insects are resistance to BT therefore farmers have to use a pesticide that they aren't resistant to. Guess what, if there was no BT in the corn or if it was non GMO, the farmer would still be using the same amount of pesticide. Actually, probably more because BT is still effective against certain insects. The existence of the GMO is independent of pesticide use.

By the way, in case you don't already know, I work for a GMO company. I don't need to read this shit in the news. I see it in the field/greenhouse/lab all the time.

 

[Texashiker]

Um, how is an insect having resistance against a naturally occurring toxin the fault of GMO?

Where did I say it was the fault of GMO?

I said our over reliance on GMO has led to resistance. GMO did not do this, ignorant farmers who did not heed the warnings did this. Farmers who do not understand natural selection led to this super bug problem.

GMO is a great thing. But like all things it has to be used responsibly.

By the way, in case you don't already know, I work for a GMO company. I don't need to read this shit in the news. I see it in the field/greenhouse/lab all the time.

Well aint that special.

 

[xBiffx]

Where did I say it was the fault of GMO?

I said our over reliance on GMO has led to resistance.

You are joking right?

GMOs drive up the use of pesticides.

You were wrong and still are wrong. GMO's, if anything, reduce pesticide use compare to non GMO's because they do have some insect resistance that otherwise wouldn't be there. But in reality, farmers are going to use pesticides regardless of whether they use GMO's or not.

Its probably best for you to stop typing that this point. Trying to walk back your previous statements isn't gonna fly.

 

[Texashiker]

GMO's, if anything, reduce pesticide use compare to non GMO's

Proof?

Cite a recent study.

I linked to a study from the university of Washington. Do you have an authority source to dispute that study?

You are joking right?

You took my words out of context. I made a statement, then explained the statement. You are nit-picking to suit your own opinions.

 

[xBiffx]

Proof?

Cite a recent study.

I linked to a study from the university of Washington. Do you have an authority source to dispute that study?




You took my words out of context. I made a statement, then explained the statement. You are nit-picking to suit your own opinions.

Can I have a link to one that says GMO's are the cause of increased pesticide use first? One that doesn't conflate pesticides and herbicides and muck it all up?

Also, use what little brain you have left. How is a plant that is engineered to express a toxin that naturally occurs and is itself a natural pesticide going to increase the use of pesticides? I mean, organic farmers spray BT all the time because of its natural qualities and I don't see anyone going after them for it.

You took my words out of context. I made a statement, then explained the statement. You are nit-picking to suit your own opinions.

And you are trying to walk back previous statements because they've been shown to be patently false. We can do this dance all day.

Edit: I don't expect this to change anything, but here it is nonetheless. One main point, stop conflating pesticide and herbicide.

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe70s/pests_08.html

 

[Moonbeam]

A great deal of corporate money is involved in this issue so you can be sure conservative minds are full of corporately created brain washings to insure a steady supply of poisonous chemical supporters.

GMO crops are engineered to survive massive quantities of herbicides so brain washed farmers can spray the shit out of them without killing the altered plants.

What we need are chemically resistant bees and birds and human beings so we can all survive on a poisoned earth. Frankenfoods are good for Frankensteins.

 

[Texashiker]

And you are trying to walk back previous statements because they've been shown to be patently false. We can do this dance all day.

You have posted nothing but gibberish.

The articles I linked to explain in detail how over use of GMO is causing pest to evolve. This is natural evolution that is being promoted by GMO crops.

Exclusive use of GMO creates a toxic environment where the weak die off, the strong survive and multiple. Did you not study evolution, or just choose to ignore it?

Farmers refused to plant non-GMO crops to help prevent the rise of resistant bugs.

Either provide some kind of authority source to back up your statements or piss off.

 

[xBiffx]

The articles I linked to explain in detail how over use of GMO is causing pest to evolve. This is natural evolution that is being promoted by GMO crops.

Patently false. They simply point out the fact that insects are BT tolerant. That is nothing new and has zero to do with GMO's because BT use/existence isn't restricted to just GMO's.

Either provide some kind of authority source to back up your statements or piss off.

I'd like you to follow your own advice. Or just stop making false statements based on interpretation that fit your agenda.

 

[michal1980]

I see your graph, and raise you 2 more.

Below is for the US

Below is for Canada

except neonicontinod usage didn't become wide spread until the 90s. Which would mean that bee population decline would happen because of something else.

 

[Texashiker]

I'd like you to follow your own advice. Or just stop making false statements based on interpretation that fit your agenda.

Argentina

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/20/argentina-pesticides-health-problems_n_4131825.html

Agrochemical use did decline at first, then it bounced back, increasing ninefold from 9 million gallons (34 million liters) in 1990 to more than 84 million gallons (317 million liters) today as farmers squeezed in more harvests and pests became resistant to the poisons.

Overall, Argentine farmers apply an estimated 4.3 pounds of agrochemical concentrate per acre, more than twice what U.S. farmers use, according to an AP analysis of government and pesticide industry data.

 

[hal2kilo]

A great deal of corporate money is involved in this issue so you can be sure conservative minds are full of corporately created brain washings to insure a steady supply of poisonous chemical supporters.

GMO crops are engineered to survive massive quantities of herbicides so brain washed farmers can spray the shit out of them without killing the altered plants.

What we need are chemically resistant bees and birds and human beings so we can all survive on a poisoned earth. Frankenfoods are good for Frankensteins.

Damn, we've been working on the wrong problem. Don't worry Moonbeam, the big ag petrochemical industry will come up with a fix.

 

[xBiffx]

Argentina

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/20/argentina-pesticides-health-problems_n_4131825.html

Same dead horse. Conflating pesticides and herbicides even calling them agrochemicals.

Even the parts about pesticides don't link it specifically to GMO's. Those pesticides would have been used even if BT wasn't present in the GMO.

Heck, the story even divulges the fact that farmers are breaking the law. But somehow that's the GMO's fault or GMO's are adding to the problem?

Get a new stick already. This one is stale.

 

[Texashiker]

Same dead horse. Conflating pesticides and herbicides even calling them agrochemicals.

Brazil

We can go through the whole alphabet if you want.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/162...-brazil-second-largest-gmo-producer-in-world/

Sarah Agapito, agronomist and researcher at the Federal University of Santa Catarina, disputes the idea that GMOs increase productivity or reduce the use of pesticides.

“There is already scientific evidence that the production of RR soybeans has contributed to the emergence of weeds resistant to glyphosate,”

Already found C article about bees and GMO crops.

 

[xBiffx]

Brazil

We can go through the whole alphabet if you want.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/162...-brazil-second-largest-gmo-producer-in-world/



Already found C article about bees and GMO crops.

Are you done being a tool yet?

Sarah Agapito, agronomist and researcher at the Federal University of Santa Catarina, disputes the idea that GMOs increase productivity or reduce the use of pesticides.

She gave the example of Roundup-Ready (RR) soybeans. Roundup is a herbicide created by agriculture giant Monsanto. Its principal ingredient is glyphosate. The RR soybeans are genetically modified to be glyphosate resistant, so farmers can douse the crops with Roundup and only kill the weeds.

Only time pesticides are mentioned in the story is in bold. But then they go on to talk about Roundup-ready.

Yet again, conflating pesticides and herbicides.

Stop already.

 

[Texashiker]

BBC

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27980344

Neonicotinoid pesticides are causing significant damage to a wide range of beneficial species and are a key factor in the decline of bees, say scientists.

Researchers, who have carried out a four-year review of the literature, say the evidence of damage is now "conclusive".

Is a 4 year study posted on BBC authority enough for you?


Canada

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/canada-mulls-crackdown-pesticides-suspected-killing-bees/

We have concluded that current agricultural practices related to the use of neonicotinoid treated corn and soybean seed are not sustainable. For the 2014 planting season, we intend to implement additional protective measures for corn and soybean production.