Pest Control Workers To Help Fight Crime

laFiera

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fixed the linky!

I would like to think I'm being paranoid, but having lived in a communist country, once I read this innocent news article, "good old" memories were brought back. If pest control are becoming crime fighters, soon it will be neighbor against neighbor, family against family, just like it was back home. As an objective thinker, I would like to think this is a great idea since the argument can be made that these pest control people are inside a home and they can report on any suspicious activity they see there! What if alqaeda (however u spell it) is constructing a bomb and suddenly they are invaded by cockroaches and they decide to call our friendly pest control man, who upon entering the house discover Bin Laden? I can see the report on cnn and fox news that thanks to the vigilante activites of the pest control the usa has been saved from mass destruction. On the other hand, how does this affect the fourth amendment?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: laFiera
fixed the linky!

I would like to think I'm being paranoid, but having lived in a communist country, once I read this innocent news article, "good old" memories were brought back. If pest control are becoming crime fighters, soon it will be neighbor against neighbor, family against family, just like it was back home. As an objective thinker, I would like to think this is a great idea since the argument can be made that these pest control people are inside a home and they can report on any suspicious activity they see there! What if alqaeda (however u spell it) is constructing a bomb and suddenly they are invaded by cockroaches and they decide to call our friendly pest control man, who upon entering the house discover Bin Laden? I can see the report on cnn and fox news that thanks to the vigilante activites of the pest control the usa has been saved from mass destruction. On the other hand, how does this affect the fourth amendment?

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8-20-2005 Pest Control Workers To Help Fight Crime

One of Central Florida's largest pest control companies has been recruited by police to help fight crime, according to Local 6 News.

Technicians from Truly Nolen Pest Control of America are being trained by local law enforcement to spot anything unusual as they visit customer's homes.

"Truly Nolen wants criminals to know and be warned that if you see the company's yellow VW bugs, you are being watched," Local 6 News reporter Samantha Knapp said.
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Well since you lived in a Communist Country you can adjust to the new Communist America faster than the rest of us. Welcome aboard :thumbsup:
 

phisrow

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This bit cracks me up; "Our point is not to invade people's houses or make them feel like their privacy is being invaded. It's just to try to have an extra set of eyes and ears out there,". It's also pretty amusing how they try and pitch this as being a measure to protect us from the criminals who want to break into our houses, all the mentions of criminals being watched from the vehicles, and of pest control people watching for criminals entering customer's houses. Who do they think they are fooling? The only possible reason to use pest guys to report crime is to get into houses without bothering about that whole 4th amendment thing.

I guess freedom just isn't safe until there is none left to be destroyed.
 

ShadesOfGrey

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Originally posted by: phisrow
This bit cracks me up; "Our point is not to invade people's houses or make them feel like their privacy is being invaded. It's just to try to have an extra set of eyes and ears out there,". It's also pretty amusing how they try and pitch this as being a measure to protect us from the criminals who want to break into our houses, all the mentions of criminals being watched from the vehicles, and of pest control people watching for criminals entering customer's houses. Who do they think they are fooling? The only possible reason to use pest guys to report crime is to get into houses without bothering about that whole 4th amendment thing.

I guess freedom just isn't safe until there is none left to be destroyed.

Let me pose this question to you:
Lets say you are a pest control worker. You enter someone's house and do your thing. In the process you see some out of the ordinary chemicals(or atleast a odd quatity) or equipment. Would you not atleast ask questions? Inform or mention it to your supervisor?
 

xTYBALTx

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Adam Carolla was right on when he said, "All bad things come from either Florida or Texas."

And who the hell would use this pest control company, knowing full well that they will be looking for evidence of crime in your house? Maybe in the future the pest control man will bring along a chemical kit that tests for traces of drugs. How fun!
 

laFiera

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Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey


Let me pose this question to you:
Lets say you are a pest control worker. You enter someone's house and do your thing. In the process you see some out of the ordinary chemicals(or atleast a odd quatity) or equipment. Would you not atleast ask questions? Inform or mention it to your supervisor?

I don't really know what are the internal policies of pest control companies, but as a summer job, I once did home health care and would go to people's homes. From what I remember, there were guidelines as to what to do in the homes; i was there to take vital signs and provide simple health care, but I wasn't there to give a report as to what was in the patient's kitchen For example, if I went to a person that had diabetes, I would wash my hand in the kitchen, and while I was there I would notice these patients had all types of sugar products in there. If I asked---"hey, are you following your diabetic diet", of course the patient would say, "i'm following it very strictly"; on the chart of the patient we wrote on the assessment of the patient not on their house belongings or findings in the kitchen as that was not part of the health assessment.

Did I tell the "supervisor" that the patient was not following his diet? Yes, but it was just BS talk about how people don't care much about their health, but we did nothing about it because that was not the purpose of the visit. Did we tell the patient--"hey, last time we came to your house, we foudn sugar in the kitchen? We are going to report this to your doctor?" No, because that was not my job.

If you go into the house of a chemist and he has chemical flasks in his house---are you going to tell the supervisor that the last client you visited might be a terrorist as you saw some glass flasks in his house? As a pest control person---are you even qualified to make such discernment? What if you go to the house of an architect and he/she brought blueprints home to study them, and what if the partner is a plane pilot and you see blueprints and model planes in the house? Are you going to say you just came across terrorists? Where do you begin and where do you stop reporting suspicious activities?

And one final question---if you're a true terrorist and you have incriminating evidence in your house---are you going to call any type of home services to come service your home?

Justice Louis D. Brandeis, dissenting in Olmstead v. United States (1928)
The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings, and of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure, and satisfactions of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone ? the most comprehensive of rights and the one most valued by civilized men. To protect that right, every unjustifiable intrusion by the Government upon the privacy of the individual, whatever the means employed, must be deemed a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
 

sandorski

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I remember the Cold War well, one of the "evils" of Communism was the fact that everyone snitched on everyone else. No one could be trusted because you lived in a Police State. How times have changed.
 

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One day in early summer Squealer ordered the sheep to follow him, and led them out to a piece of waste ground at the other end of the farm, which had become overgrown with birch saplings. The sheep spent the whole day there browsing at the leaves under Squealer's supervision. In the evening he returned to the farmhouse himself, but, as it was warm weather, told the sheep to stay where they were. It ended by their remaining there for a whole week, during which time the other animals saw nothing of them. Squealer was with them for the greater part of every day. He was, he said, teaching them to sing a new song, for which privacy was needed.

It was just after the sheep had returned, on a pleasant evening when the animals had finished work and were making their way back to the farm buildings, that the terrified neighing of a horse sounded from the yard. Startled, the animals stopped in their tracks. It was Clover's voice. She neighed again, and all the animals broke into a gallop and rushed into the yard. Then they saw what Clover had seen.

It was a pig walking on his hind legs.

Yes, it was Squealer. A little awkwardly, as though not quite used to supporting his considerable bulk in that position, but with perfect balance, he was strolling across the yard. And a moment later, out from the door of the farmhouse came a long file of pigs, all walking on their hind legs. Some did it better than others, one or two were even a trifle unsteady and looked as though they would have liked the support of a stick, but every one of them made his way right round the yard successfully. And finally there was a tremendous baying of dogs and a shrill crowing from the black cockerel, and out came Napoleon himself, majestically upright, casting haughty glances from side to side, and with his dogs gambolling round him.

He carried a whip in his trotter.

There was a deadly silence. Amazed, terrified, huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside-down. Then there came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when, in spite of everything-in spite of their terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years, of never complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened-they might have uttered some word of protest. But just at that moment, as though at a signal, all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of-

"Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!"

It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse.

Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

"My sight is failing," she said finally. "Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?"

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters. It did not seem strange to learn that the pigs had bought themselves a wireless set, were arranging to install a telephone, and had taken out subscriptions to John Bull, TitBits, and the Daily Mirror. It did not seem strange when Napoleon was seen strolling in the farmhouse garden with a pipe in his mouth-no, not even when the pigs took Mr. Jones's clothes out of the wardrobes and put them on, Napoleon himself appearing in a black coat, ratcatcher breeches, and leather leggings, while his favourite sow appeared in the watered silk dress which Mrs. Jones had been used to wear on Sundays.

A week later, in the afternoon, a number of dogcarts drove up to the farm. A deputation of neighbouring farmers had been invited to make a tour of inspection. They were shown all over the farm, and expressed great admiration for everything they saw, especially the windmill. The animals were weeding the turnip field. They worked diligently hardly raising their faces from the ground, and not knowing whether to be more frightened of the pigs or of the human visitors.
 
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Meh, been doing my own pest control for years.

Like already said, any terrorist or whatever is not going to be having people come inside the house anyway. I'm sure most people won't care though, only matters that they "feel" more safe.
 

Moonbeam

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Where I live we are already suspicious of you if you have 'insect infestation'. Yuck, you are simply unclean, and ungodly.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: laFiera
fixed the linky!

I would like to think I'm being paranoid, but having lived in a communist country, once I read this innocent news article, "good old" memories were brought back. If pest control are becoming crime fighters, soon it will be neighbor against neighbor, family against family, just like it was back home. As an objective thinker, I would like to think this is a great idea since the argument can be made that these pest control people are inside a home and they can report on any suspicious activity they see there! What if alqaeda (however u spell it) is constructing a bomb and suddenly they are invaded by cockroaches and they decide to call our friendly pest control man, who upon entering the house discover Bin Laden? I can see the report on cnn and fox news that thanks to the vigilante activites of the pest control the usa has been saved from mass destruction. On the other hand, how does this affect the fourth amendment?

That hypothetical situation is exactly what people are thinking of here. But the problem with this sort of thing (other than the obvious privacy concerns) is that a pest control person is not a law enforcement offical, they don't have the training or experience. Some situations are obvious, like if there are a bunch of canisters with "Anthrax" written on the side sitting in the bed. I doubt terrorists are that stupid, so we'll probably get mostly "tips" involving things like a Koran on the bookshelf.

The vast majority of people aren't terrorists, and treating them like they are causes problems worse than before. Pest control people simply aren't trained to make the distinction, and in all but the most obvious cases, they won't notice anything anyways.
 

dahunan

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What is to stop the pest control workers from letting this new responsibility from going to their head.. and next they will not be "noticing" suspicious items.. BUT will begin snooping through your home while you are away and they are in there spraying chemicals...

I wonder how many other services like this our govt has paid to spy on us?