Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

[BorisTheBlade82]

@Det0x
Might you do me a favor and try this LibreOffice Results file:
https://github.com/BrsVgl/PerformanceEfficiencySuite/raw/main/Results LibreOffice.ods

Just replace the existing one in your folder and try if it works.
Hint: For me it takes a while to import the data, but generally it works.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Question: I don't see M1/M2 Macbook Air in the rankings chart. Has no one turned those results in?

 

[Det0x]

@Det0x
Might you do me a favor and try this LibreOffice Results file:
https://github.com/BrsVgl/PerformanceEfficiencySuite/raw/main/Results LibreOffice.ods

Just replace the existing one in your folder and try if it works.
Hint: For me it takes a while to import the data, but generally it works.

Yes that actually worked, can view the results myself now

Btw are you sure its correct to judge/rank results by runtime ?(duration)
Have you tried to compare time vs score ? Does it line up ?

Also alittle surprised by the results.. This is how a high scoring run from me look like:

ASUS System Product Name - Geekbench Browser

Benchmark results for an ASUS System Product Name with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Can speculate some of the benchmarks have a set runtime like 10sec, and must be judged by the score they achieve in those 10seconds, not the fact they ran for 10sec, if you understand what i mean

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

@Det0x
Great, that the LibreOffice sheet works for you. So I will include that in the next minor release.

As to the nature of GB5: I had always assumed that it is a fixed Workload just like CB. Maybe I am wrong - but I don't know how to prove either way.
But yes, time vs. score at least has the same tendency.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

@igor_kavinski
It is technically not possible to run PES on Apple Silicon. The CB numbers for M1 were estimates, look here:

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For GB5 so far only @Det0x has submitted any results which makes it hard to realize if the methodology works in general.

 

[igor_kavinski]

For GB5 so far only @Det0x has submitted any results which makes it hard to realize if the methodology works in general.

I have the numbers for i5-12500. Bit swamped with work right now. I will post as soon as I'm free.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

So, regarding the nature of the GB5 workloads there is some documentation from Geekbench which can be found here:

https://www.geekbench.com/doc/geekbench5-cpu-workloads.pdf

• Some of the explanations are not totally clear and leave some room for speculation.
• The SQLite workload seems to be the only one which has no fixed processing amount but instead measures throughput in a fixed amount of time.
• When only measuring the duration, the weighting for the score does not apply. So for example AVX512 supporting CPUs should have an advantage. Generally, a CPU that excels in a bigger workload should have an advantage over another CPU which excels in a smaller one.

What do you think? I guess, we first need more samples in order to judge if the methodology makes sense for GB5.
Another possibility would be to parse the results from the website - but that ATM exceeds my programming skills, to be honest. But hey, as this is open source, feel free to contribute. The GitHub repo can be found in the opening post.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Dell Optiplex 3000 Core i5-12500

CBR23

Stock

Core memory isolation On

HT off Core memory isolation On

HT off Core memory isolation off

 

[igor_kavinski]

Dell Optiplex 3000 Core i5-12500

Geekbench 5

Stock

Core memory isolation On

HT off Core memory isolation On

HT off Core memory isolation off


Windows build 22621.931

Looks like GB5 loves Alder Lake or ADL is very efficient when running GB5.

RAM is 8GB DDR4-3200 at 2T

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

• Updated Rankings and Matrices in the opening posts
• included the results of @igor_kavinski 's mobile and Desktop Alder Lake (very strong showing of the mobile SKU in CB23 ST)
• some more results for GB5 now available - for the moment I consider GB5 integration Beta
• minor update to v0.8.1 - hopefully improved the LibreOffice sheet. Excel still working like a charm.
  Download v0.8.1

This is how the GB5 ranking looks right now - more contribution highly appreciated.

 

[thigobr]

15W and 12W settings for a 6800U, same Zenbook S 13 OLED as my previous entry. It's weird but the low power setting is actually faster!

 

[Just Benching]

Where would a score of 15.200 at 35w in cbr23 rank? Thinking about putting back my 12900k and running this

 

[mmaenpaa]

LENOVO L15 G3 R5-5675U/15.6FHD/16GB/256SSD/11P

AC:


DC:

 

[mmaenpaa]

DELL PM3571 I9-12900H/FHD/32GB/512SSD/RTXA2000
- Dell Mobile Precision Workstation 3571
- Intel Core i9-12900H vPro (24 MB cache, 14 cores, 20 threads, 2.50 GHz to 5.00 GHz, 45W)
- 32 GB, 2 x 16 GB, DDR5, 4800Mhz, Non-ECC SODIMM
- 6 cell, 97 WHr standard lifecycle battery

AC:


DC:

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

Sorry for lagging behind lately. A lot of real life stuff ATM 🤷🏽

 

[igor_kavinski]

Not sure why I'm getting these #REF errors.




This happens after I get this error:



These are the CSV files zipped: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9p0qm9c18le6b6g/LogCsv.zip/file

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

Not sure why I'm getting these #REF errors.

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This happens after I get this error:
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These are the CSV files zipped: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9p0qm9c18le6b6g/LogCsv.zip/file

Yeah, the LibreOffice sheet is buggy. If anyone knows why, feel free to contribute. I will post your results soon.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

@igor_kavinski
There you go...
/edit: And what kind of system with which CPU is that?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Thanks! Sorry, forgot to mention the system.

That's Core i7-12700K desktop CPU working on the ASROCK PG SONIC Z790 mobo with EXPO RAM DDR5-5600@DDR5-4600 28-30-30-60 timings (can't coax that kit to go any higher in bandwidth).

Using default clocks but mobo power limit is at max 265W (doesn't allow higher than that) with an air cooler.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah, the LibreOffice sheet is buggy. If anyone knows why, feel free to contribute. I will post your results soon.

What's weird is that I think the Excel sheet was empty. Does Microsoft Office need to be installed in order for the Excel sheet to be filled?

 

[igor_kavinski]

CSV for the same system using Geekbench 6: https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6ftn479o1o1vdi/GB6.csv/file

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

What's weird is that I think the Excel sheet was empty. Does Microsoft Office need to be installed in order for the Excel sheet to be filled?

Yes, it only works with MS Excel. It needs .NET Framework for the CSV Import.

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

CSV for the same system using Geekbench 6: https://www.mediafire.com/file/p6ftn479o1o1vdi/GB6.csv/file

Will have a look soon. First, I need to find out if GB6 is s fixed Workload.

 

[mmaenpaa]

DELL L5530 I5-1245U/15.6FHD/16GB/512SSD/WWR/10P11P
Processor 15W (according to DELL)

AC:



DC:

 

[Timur Born]

CPU: 13900K !undervolted! + 1x 5.9 GHz single-core OC + 253W power limit | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 Aero G | GPU: Intel iGPU | RAM: DDR5 Patriot 6000-36 at 5600 CR1T | Hard Drive: Adata SX8200 Pro