rivan
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Because the distinction between pubescent and pre-pubescent isn't a line clearly identifiable by law. Some kids hit it at 12, others at 15. The line we draw where it's a crime is 16 (17 in some states, I think?) and no matter the exact age of the 'bait' 13, 14, 15, none of the men I've seen has any business approaching them. I don't think I've seen a perp younger than 25, and most are over 30, and there's simply no reason someone that age should be looking for a girl that young. Period.
So... what do we call them? Pedophiles, because it's a term that very nearly perfectly fits the usage, and there's no word better that I know of.
As for the DA - good riddance - save us the trouble of prosecuting and housing his ass while he does his time, then paying for his 'rehab'. Someone above mentioned a softer stance, asking that we understand these people need help - and I agree with that. The thing is, too often they don't get it until they've distorted one or more children's childhoods. The fastest way to get my hackles up is to mess with someone who's defenseless, and children are as defenseless as they come.
And to the people who say that I am playing devil's advocate and saying the these people are totally different from us and that they should be shot...
When was the last time you ever talked to a person who was different then you? Have you ever really looked at the whole issue from all sides or did you come to those conclusions based on preconceived ideas about how much better you are than the rest of society?
What do you have to boast for? I can probably boast more. For G-d's sake, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket, I regularly give to charities, I volunteer as much as I can, I will go out of my way for almost anyone.... Just yesterday, I went into a restaurant during my lunch break bought some food and handed it out to some poor people on the street (I don't say this to boast but rather to show you, what is the point in looking at yourself and thinking you are better than someone else? All it does it generate more problems).
If you actually talk to an alcoholic, or a drug user, or someone in prison... most of them are pretty normal except for their mentallity. They are selfish and they only look out for themselves. You accept them, show them how messed up their problem is, and show them a better way and they can change. If they don't change or don't reject their selfish mentallity, let the law deal with them, but don't judge every person just based on one person's ignorance.
When was the last time you ever talked to a person who was different then you? Have you ever really looked at the whole issue from all sides or did you come to those conclusions based on preconceived ideas about how much better you are than the rest of society?
What do you have to boast for? I can probably boast more. For G-d's sake, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket, I regularly give to charities, I volunteer as much as I can, I will go out of my way for almost anyone.... Just yesterday, I went into a restaurant during my lunch break bought some food and handed it out to some poor people on the street (I don't say this to boast but rather to show you, what is the point in looking at yourself and thinking you are better than someone else? All it does it generate more problems).
If you actually talk to an alcoholic, or a drug user, or someone in prison... most of them are pretty normal except for their mentallity. They are selfish and they only look out for themselves. You accept them, show them how messed up their problem is, and show them a better way and they can change. If they don't change or don't reject their selfish mentallity, let the law deal with them, but don't judge every person just based on one person's ignorance.
rivan
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So what would you change? Stop doing it, or perhaps get an actual 14 year old to pose for the pervs? Maybe teach him/her to talk dirty on MSN, too?
There's no alternative, just like there's no alternative to having people undercover in any other sting, whether it's for drugs, prostitution or anything else.
By the way, I am looking at a map right now that I helped create that shows the places where sex offenders live in the area. You would be surprised at how normal problems like this are. Normal at least statistically, but still a serious and disgusting problem!
I forgot the statistic, but I think I remember that 1 in 5 or 1 in 4, girls in our society have had some sexual abuse done to them by someone they know growing up. It is really a sad situation. When it comes down to it, all humans have the capability for being as evil as the worst people you can think of. Look at the Nazi officers. They did horrible things "following orders" and because their mentallity/belief made them think they were better than other people (same thing going on here), yet in the end most of these people grew up in middle class homes in Germany with average family backgrounds. Why did they do it? Wrong belief structure and also because they are human (and capable of evil).
I forgot the statistic, but I think I remember that 1 in 5 or 1 in 4, girls in our society have had some sexual abuse done to them by someone they know growing up. It is really a sad situation. When it comes down to it, all humans have the capability for being as evil as the worst people you can think of. Look at the Nazi officers. They did horrible things "following orders" and because their mentallity/belief made them think they were better than other people (same thing going on here), yet in the end most of these people grew up in middle class homes in Germany with average family backgrounds. Why did they do it? Wrong belief structure and also because they are human (and capable of evil).
Different, but not that much different. They still get a thrill out of the taboo and taking away someone's innocence.
Bad outlook.Most teenagers aren't ready for something like that.
Amused
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Originally posted by: DaShen
Different, but not that much different. They still get a thrill out of the taboo and taking away someone's innocence.
Most teenagers aren't ready for something like that.
There is a marked difference between being attracted to someone who is post puberty, vs being attracted to someone who is prepubescent.
zephyrprime
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DaShen
Different, but not that much different. They still get a thrill out of the taboo and taking away someone's innocence.
Most teenagers aren't ready for something like that.
There is a marked difference between being attracted to someone who is post puberty, vs being attracted to someone who is prepubescent.
Yes there is, but the root attraction is still the same.
I do understand the significance of being attracted to a person that is not sexual primed to pass down the genetic primers compared to someone who is physically mature enough to procreate, but the mentallity is still quite similar. The physical attraction, in and of itself is different, but the mentallity is the same.
rudder
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Yes I agree everyone is inherently evil and selfish. And there are some isolated cases where someone has a brain defect and they truly cannot distinguish right from wrong. However, I would bet the majority of child molesters KNOW that their actions are wrong. There is a line. These pedos and molesters know what will happen when they cross it.
I for one am not going to bet a child's future on the fact that a molester MAY change his behavior.
Lets not forget there is a victim here. This victim has been given a life sentence.
that show is cruel though... they really expose and humiliate those sick twisted people... its kinda funny at the time but no laughing matter really
I agree with what NBC is doing, but there is a little prejudice, but the statistics are minor.
I am not sure the real stats, but I'm quite sure men outnumber the women in reference to online preditors, but without a doubt, I'm sure women that follow this similiar behavior, exist.
So, why aren't women targetted in a sting such as this? I'm sure most of the American public is being blinded and are being brainwashed into thinking that men are the only ones taking forth in such crude acts.
I'm by no means taking up for the bad guys, but if you are going to lay down the law, then it should be equal. Or at least put forth a little effort in targetting both sexes, since women are as guilty as men in online preditorism
I am not sure the real stats, but I'm quite sure men outnumber the women in reference to online preditors, but without a doubt, I'm sure women that follow this similiar behavior, exist.
So, why aren't women targetted in a sting such as this? I'm sure most of the American public is being blinded and are being brainwashed into thinking that men are the only ones taking forth in such crude acts.
I'm by no means taking up for the bad guys, but if you are going to lay down the law, then it should be equal. Or at least put forth a little effort in targetting both sexes, since women are as guilty as men in online preditorism
Amused
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Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DaShen
Different, but not that much different. They still get a thrill out of the taboo and taking away someone's innocence.
Most teenagers aren't ready for something like that.
There is a marked difference between being attracted to someone who is post puberty, vs being attracted to someone who is prepubescent.
Yes there is, but the root attraction is still the same.
I do understand the significance of being attracted to a person that is not sexual primed to pass down the genetic primers compared to someone who is physically mature enough to procreate, but the mentallity is still quite similar. The physical attraction, in and of itself is different, but the mentallity is the same.
Actually, the attraction to someone who is past puberty is perfectly normal. And the only thing that stops us from carrying through with that attraction is morality and ethics.
The sexual attraction to someone prepubescent is abnormal.
So while the ethics may be similar, the attraction is far from such. What makes a post pubescent predator is a lack of ethics/morality. What makes a pedophile is an abnormal sexual attraction combined with a lack of ethics and morality.
I am speaking of prevention here. If the community had an outlet (be it church, temple, non-profit) for people who are struggling with these issues and wished to change, and there was a system set in place for people with these problems (like AA). I believe you would see a lot less recitivism.
Once a person commits a crime, justice must be handed out.
Then I agree with you. Both lack a certain ethical mentallity and the outlook on both is the same, but the physical attraction is very different.
I can be the first to say that there are some people that are teenagers that are very physically attractive, but I would not even consider anything because of the stage they are mentally developmentally. I mean, one of the best times for a women to have a child is in their late teens (16-18) physically, but because of the way society is set up to further a person potential, people are not ready for such a commitment till later in life.
With the right mentallity though, guys aren't just goign to go for a girl based on their physical attractiveness, but also their minds. (chessey, I know but true. And as you know, everything is better with cheese)
rudder
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The thing about alcoholics and drug users is they are hurting themselves. They may be affecting some loved ones but nothing akin to being a victim of sexual molestation, particularly a small child. There is no excuse. Why don't you save some of that passion for the victims?
Again... if you have a convicted child molester and you have small children, would you want that person living next to you?
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