Perry Stumbles at latest GOP Debate

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zsdersw

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You've got to be kidding? Pretty sure that even Perry would have the name of that agency by the time he got to office, and had anything to do with the budget.

Saying there are three agencies that should be eliminated presumes that there has been some work done in determining which ones should stay and which ones shouldn't. That misstep suggests Perry was, at most, marginally involved in that determination... and nothing to suggest that he'd know what agencies he really wants to or should cut when taking office.
 

hal2kilo

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Saying there are three agencies that should be eliminated presumes that there has been some work done in determining which ones should stay and which ones shouldn't. That misstep suggests Perry was, at most, marginally involved in that determination.

He was exhausted and was dosing during that part of his coaching in prepartion for the debate. Come on. Give him a break.
 
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woolfe9999

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Definitely no worse than forgetting how many states are in the country you are trying to be the leader of.

Come on now, try to be objective. Obama did not forget there were 50 states. That was fumbling with words. This is forgetting something. The closer analogy would be if Perry meant "Education" and said "Energy" and then "oops, I meant education." That would not have been as big a deal.

I'm not on this Perry thing as a big deal. It's not a campaign ender in and of itself. I just think Perry has performed consistently poorly in the debates. But the comparison is not a good one.
 
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Let's assume that Obama meant to say 57 (or 58) states... and let's assume that Perry doesn't know the 3 federal agencies he'd eliminate.

Only a partisan/ideological hack would conclude that believing there are more than 50 states is a more significant than not knowing the names of 3 federal agencies that should be cut.

Why?

It's quite simple: believing there are more than 50 states has no material impact on anyone. Not knowing the federal agencies to be cut has a major impact on the budget.

Typical liberal bullsh!t. You'll defend an idiot that wants to be president yet doesn't even know what he wants to be president of?
At least with Perry it's understandable that he forgot a government agency. There's what 479. Kinda hard to remember that many agencies. A little easier to remember 50 states.
 
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About as much as anyone seriously believes that if elected, and working on a budget Perry still wouldn't be able to remember the name of the agency.

I actually agree with that - without question he knows which agencies he wants to get rid of.

The problem is, this gaffe just reinforced people's doubts about whether he is fit to represent the GOP in the general election, much less serve as President.

Larry Sabato wrote "To my memory, Perry's forgetfulness is the most devastating moment of any modern primary debate," and "Is it possible that Perry's campaign ended tonight? Sounds harsh but it was that bad. I actually HOPE he was on drugs. Would explain it." http://twitter.com/#!/larrysabato
 
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zsdersw

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Typical liberal bullsh!t. You'll defend an idiot that wants to be president yet doesn't even know what he wants to be president of?
At least with Perry it's understandable that he forgot a government agency. There's what 479. Kinda hard to remember that many agencies. A little easier to remember 50 states.

Typical idiotic overreaction. Yes there are a lot more federal agencies than there are states, but that amount was, presumably, whittled down to 3 that should be eliminated. It's a lot easier to remember 3 agencies than 50 states.
 

Jaskalas

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This is not an isolated incident with Perry.

He may not have the mental health to be President. We expect our leaders to stand strong under pressure and not balk. That even if they're weak, not to show it. Perry is showing his weakness to the world and it's a bitter taste for anyone to swallow.
 
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Ausm

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Typical liberal bullsh!t. You'll defend an idiot that wants to be president yet doesn't even know what he wants to be president of?
At least with Perry it's understandable that he forgot a government agency. There's what 479. Kinda hard to remember that many agencies. A little easier to remember 50 states.

My question is why does he want to be President of the United States when he was threatening to succeed from the Union??? Kind of odd indeed. :D
 

hal2kilo

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Typical idiotic overreaction. Yes there are a lot more federal agencies than there are states, but that amount was, presumably, whittled down to 3 that should be eliminated. It's a lot easier to remember 3 agencies than 50 states.

People are missing the point. By saying which agencies he would eliminate he gives you a clue about his philosophy of governing. That fact that he couldn't recall what was on his 3x5 tells me he has no ownership of what he's saying and that he's vacuous vessel.
 

zsdersw

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People are missing the point. By saying which agencies he would eliminate he gives you a clue about his philosophy of governing. That fact that he couldn't recall what was on his 3x5 tells me he has no ownership of what he's saying and that he's vacuous vessel.

Well of course, but those finer details would be lost on the target audience of my reply.. so I worked within those boundaries.
 

Jaskalas

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People are missing the point. By saying which agencies he would eliminate he gives you a clue about his philosophy of governing. That fact that he couldn't recall what was on his 3x5 tells me he has no ownership of what he's saying and that he's vacuous vessel.

Ouch, you say he can't remember because he's a phony?
 

Ldir

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This is not an isolated incident with Perry.

He may not have the mental health to be President. We expect our leaders to stand strong under pressure and not balk. That even if they're weak, not to show it. Perry is showing his weakness to the world and it's a bitter taste for anyone to swallow.

That's what bothers me most about Perry. He doesn't do well under pressure. That's a problem for presidents.
 

woolfe9999

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Cain not knowing that China has nuclear weapons is worse than this. Perry forgot something moderately important. Cain never knew something quite basic to begin with.
 

Phokus

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I believe so, but he was probably too drunk to remember it.

HAHAHAHAHA, holy shit, someone please find spidey's post. It should be fucking stickied.

And if uber stealth liberal Mitt Romney wins the nomination, i will laugh my ass off.
 
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Cain not knowing that China has nuclear weapons is worse than this. Perry forgot something moderately important. Cain never knew something quite basic to begin with.

I agree. Still, this kind of douche-chill moment is the kind of thing that kills campaigns (or, in this case, constitutes the final nail in the coffin of an already-moribund campaign).
 

IndyColtsFan

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For Perry, stumbling is becoming the norm.

He's like a dumber George Bush. :hmm:

There was an article on one of the news sites a few months ago about Perry and Bush being like brothers and an insider who knew both termed Bush "the smart brother." :eek: I laughed pretty freaking hard when I read that.