perhaps AIPAC's influence is going down?

[Anarchist420]

From Michael Rozeff:

If the negotiations with the Iranians work out toward detente, the pro-Israel lobby will have met with a defeat. If Israel were unilaterally to aggress against Iran, the pro-Israel lobby will also not look good. The more that Americans see their own security and interests being subordinated to those of Israel, the worse the pro-Israel lobby looks. The more that members of Congress are pressured by the pro-Israel lobby, the more obvious its tactics become and the more resistance and resentment the lobby triggers. The more that “wolf” is cried, while Iran acts with restraint and decorum while absorbing various acts of sabotage, the more that the pro-Israel lobby looks out of touch. The very fact of negotiations going on now is a signal that the bubble is deflating. If the activities of the neocon faction and the pro-war faction should prove successful in jettisoning the talks and raising tensions again, there will be a backlash. In a war-weary America, any new war encouraged by the lobby or aggressive talk from it are likely to run into a negative assessment of the lobby’s rationality. As long as there is no direct threat against Jewish people in Israel, amounting to an extermination threat, there will be a tendency for the bubble to deflate.

in my opinion, that would be a good thing if their influence goes down but it doesnt change the fact that is nearly impossible to elect a politician who isnt swayed by AIPAC. In other words, even if AIPAC's influence dwindles, there is no stopping people who run a centralized govt from getting terribly swayed by another lobby with harmful interests.

 

[Soundmanred]

I always think it's funny when they use it in movies and TV shows. I remember that Family Guy episode where they take it and start throwing up all over the place! LOL! So good.

Edit: Oops, thought we were discussing IPECAC.
On that note, the guy in Stand By Me took castor oil, not ipecac, but it's kind of the same thing really.
Good movie.
A true classic by any definition.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When Iran no longer makes threats against her and cuts off weapons aid to the Hamas and Hezbollah, then Israel can stand down a few notches.

 

[Anarchist420]

When Iran no longer makes threats against her and cuts off weapons aid to the Hamas and Hezbollah, then Israel can stand down a few notches.

what threats? and please don't tell me that an Iranian said they wanted to wipe israel off the map because that hoax has been proven to be a hoax.

and Israel can and should stand down anytime it wants to, not at a particular time dictated by any State(s), be it the american one or the israeli one (or both).

finally, the State of Israel could eliminate hezbollah and hamas, but it instead chooses an alliance with the American State.

 

[EagleKeeper]

what threats? and please don't tell me that an Iranian said they wanted to wipe israel off the map because that hoax has been proven to be a hoax.

and Israel can and should stand down anytime it wants to, not at a particular time dictated by any State(s), be it the american one or the israeli one (or both).

finally, the State of Israel could eliminate hezbollah and hamas, but it instead chooses an alliance with the American State.

Israel eliminating both those will create more trouble than it is worth.

They have to self-implode on their won.

Both have civil functionality as well as military; but are so intertwined.

And the world will not work on eliminating the military side. and as long as she is being under attack; why should she stand done; to make it easier for he opponents to attack?

Israel is intertwined with the Zionist in the Arab/Muslim mind. So where is the hoax? What actually did the Iranian president state?
If Iran did not want to eliminate Israel as a country; then why are they giving all the money/weaponry to Hamas/Hezbollah and Syria.

 

[Anarchist420]

srael is intertwined with the Zionist in the Arab/Muslim mind. So where is the hoax? What actually did the Iranian president state? If Iran did not want to eliminate Israel as a country; then why are they giving all the money/weaponry to Hamas/Hezbollah and Syria.

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Ahmadinejahd doesnt strike me as the person who would be incredibly violent anywhere and nowhere else has he ever said he wanted to wipe israel off the map. he's also not even in public office anymore.

he clearly said the he wanted the State of Israel to go away. he never claimed that he wanted the jewish people wiped off the map. i know most people dont realize the difference between the State and society, but it exists because the State is always run by the elite; there are no democracies in the world because the State must be hierarchical or it cant be the State.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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Ahmadinejahd doesnt strike me as the person who would be incredibly violent anywhere and nowhere else has he ever said he wanted to wipe israel off the map. he's also not even in public office anymore.

he clearly said the he wanted the State of Israel to go away. he never claimed that he wanted the jewish people wiped off the map. i know most people dont realize the difference between the State and society, but it exists because the State is always run by the elite; there are no democracies in the world because the State must be hierarchical or it cant be the State.

As I stated, the Muslim/Arab world considers Israel to be Zionist - there is no difference. To eliminate the Zionist government means removing the State of Israel itself and those that support it.

Also, because he was mainly a mouth piece for the religious government that runs Iran; anything he stated and restated multiple times would have been blessed/approved by the people that actually run the country.

 

[Anarchist420]

As I stated, the Muslim/Arab world considers Israel to be Zionist - there is no difference. To eliminate the Zionist government means removing the State of Israel itself and those that support it.

those who support any State support aggression. and there are many, many israelis who are just as libertarian as i and they realize that their rights are being infringed upon by the State they are subject to.

Also, because he was mainly a mouth piece for the religious government that runs Iran; anything he stated and restated multiple times would have been blessed/approved by the people that actually run the country.

he still had to come up with the ideas. it was made obvious by his ultra-keynesian economic policy which indicates he probably did make some advancements towards nuclear power whether just energy or weapons i dont know. the points are that this does not affect me, israel will not be annihilated, israel would be safer without the help of the u.s. govt, the State of Israel is a State like any other so it doesnt give a flying fuck about its subjects, and any americans who are so interested can contribute without people being forced to contribute and jailed if they refuse. i am not the only one who wants a non-interventionist foreign policy and the constitution shouldve forced the govt to be neutral, and barred congress the power of entry into shit like the u.n., while disallowing the govt to do fascist shit like the neutrality act of 1794.

and really, i dont think that obama will survive if he somehow stops war against iran but i also think that i and probably many other people who oppose the sanctions and the war will be sold off into chattel slavery or maybe something else terrible like being turned into a robot or controlled by a remote control, tortured, or turned into a monkey if i dont support the war. i am, however, willing to take that risk, because i know for sure that if there is a war too many innocent people will get murdered and the public expenditures would become so high that there would have to be hyperinflation and probably a severely broadened revenue base too to pay for it. the chance of innocent israelis getting murdered by an iran with nukes are close to zero; the worst that could happen is that the influence of the State of Israel in the region will go down while the people of israel will be able to have the same amount of or even more influence than they did before their State lost its power.