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akshatp

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.

If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.

Onus is on the pissed-off person to spend more money. Doesn't hurt me to have someone pissed off, and the feature is there on MY seat, under MY control, for me to use it.

I may be a 5'6" woman and you might be a 6'3" guy but I have arthritis and being in a cramped single position for a few hours can literally hobble me to the point of not being able to stand. I have no intention of asking your permission (and taking the chance you'd say no) when my ability to walk off the plane is contingent on your answer.

You want more space than the airline allows for, you pay for more space.

But you're intruding into their space by doing that. What if they physically stop you from reclining? Are they allowed to preserve the space which they paid for?

Why does the airplane seat allow you to recline it then? Seems it's not your space and the airlines allows you to use it.

Why do they put a food tray on the back of a seat that reclines? I'll put a drink there and the person reclines their seat so far that it nearly gets knocked over.

Recline your seat back. Problem solved.

Huh? what does my seat have to do with the tray in front of me?

The seat backs/trays are designed so when the seat is reclined, the tray still stays level with the ground. You move yoru seat back and you will still have the same amount of room as if both seats were fully forward.
 

Dirigible

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I've read nothing but the thread title. And shut the hell up with your whining. People can recline their seats all they want.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: akshatp

The seat backs/trays are designed so when the seat is reclined, the tray still stays level with the ground. You move yoru seat back and you will still have the same amount of room as if both seats were fully forward.

No, I mean that their seat back will often hit the items on the tray, since the seat back moves while the tray remains stationary.
 

AreaCode7O7

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.

If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.

Onus is on the pissed-off person to spend more money. Doesn't hurt me to have someone pissed off, and the feature is there on MY seat, under MY control, for me to use it.

I may be a 5'6" woman and you might be a 6'3" guy but I have arthritis and being in a cramped single position for a few hours can literally hobble me to the point of not being able to stand. I have no intention of asking your permission (and taking the chance you'd say no) when my ability to walk off the plane is contingent on your answer.

You want more space than the airline allows for, you pay for more space.

But you're intruding into their space by doing that. What if they physically stop you from reclining? Are they allowed to preserve the space which they paid for?

The airline has defined the space you have, and being able to recline your seat is part of the airline's definition. Honestly, I'm not a pushy person; I typically won't take the armrests because that's a shared space and the airlines have left that up to the travelers to negotiate.
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: akshatp

The seat backs/trays are designed so when the seat is reclined, the tray still stays level with the ground. You move yoru seat back and you will still have the same amount of room as if both seats were fully forward.

No, I mean that their seat back will often hit the items on the tray, since the seat back moves while the tray remains stationary.

Wrong... The tray (on planes I have been on) adjusts itself as the seat is reclined.
 

oznerol

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Bus, train, wherever - I will never recline the seat.

I hate when people in front of me do it, so I just don't do it myself.

Though, I don't expect anyone to ask me if they can do it - but I guess if they did, it would at least show that they are acknowledging and respect my existence.
 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I paid for the seat, blow me.

If you want to recline without pissing someone off, buy first class cheapskate.

When someone does that in front of me, my knees usually end up in their seat. Normally a few minutes of me tapping my legs to a song on my ipod gets them to readjust it to the normal position.

edit for spelling failure

Not saying you or the OP is wrong about the topic but seriously....

edit for elitism failure. Seriously buying econo on flights is being a cheapskate? Must be nice to be that loaded!
 

Eeezee

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This is why I always try to sit in the exit row. You get around 2x as much leg room. I'm a fairly tall guy, I can't stand being in a little tiny seat!

It's especially awful when someone decides to recline at the beginning of a 12 hour flight... at least pull your seat forward when you eat, jackass!

If you recline, you had better be asleep or else you deserve a kick to the head.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: akshatp

The seat backs/trays are designed so when the seat is reclined, the tray still stays level with the ground. You move yoru seat back and you will still have the same amount of room as if both seats were fully forward.

No, I mean that their seat back will often hit the items on the tray, since the seat back moves while the tray remains stationary.

Wrong... The tray (on planes I have been on) adjusts itself as the seat is reclined.

What do you mean? The seat reclines back, and the tray moves accordingly because it's fixed to the seat. Tall items can still get knocked over when this happens.

When you go from having an 80 degree angle between the tray and the seat to a 50 degree angle, there's not much you can do about it. (edit: Unless you want the tray to just dump its contents onto the seat, then you can preserve the 80 degree angle)
 

AlienCraft

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If they're rude about it, I start with the leg bounce thing. That usually does the trick. I can do that all day long, and intermitantley as well.
 

Amused

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My memory of coach seats are fresh in my mind with all my traveling back and forth to California recently.

Fact: The angle of tilt means extremely little to NO knee room is lost when someone in front of you reclines. If your knees lose room when someone reclines, you are intentionally raising them higher than they need be.

Fact: NO leg room is lost when they recline. The space under the seat in front of you remains the same. If you have a bag under the seat in front of you, that is no one's problem but your own.

Fact: Coach airline seats on United regular economy and American Airlines economy recline no more than 3 inches at head level, and less than a than a quarter inch (more like an 8th) at knee level.

Airline seats are ridiculously upright when not reclined, and are more like normal seats when reclined.

In 25+ years of flying, I have had only one incident with someone behind me objecting to me reclining my seat and intentionally bumping my seat when I told him to pound sand. It was an under 6' college kid who wanted to sluch in his seat and rest his knees high on the back of my seat constantly bothering me every time he readjusted and intentionally banging my seat when I reclined. That shit didn't last long, I can tell you that. Ironically, HIS seat was reclined...

Here is a hint for those of you who think you can annoy the passanger in front of you: The flight attendents will tell you to stop, and will take action against you if you do not.

If you are abnormally tall or fat, your size is your problem, not mine. If you need more leg room (not that you lose any when someone reclines anyhow) you need to buy a higher class ticket or work hard to get an exit row.
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: Amused
My memory of coach seats are fresh in my mind with all my traveling back and forth to California recently.

Fact: The angle of tilt means extremely little to NO knee room is lost when someone in front of you reclines. If your knees lose room when someone reclines, you are intentionally raising them higher than they need be.

Fact: NO leg room is lost when they recline. The space under the seat in front of you remains the same. If you have a bag under the seat in front of you, that is no one's problem but your own.

Fact: Coach airline seats on United regular economy and American Airlines economy recline no more than 3 inches at head level, and less than a than a quarter inch (more like an 8th) at knee level.

Airline seats are ridiculously upright when not reclined, and are more like normal seats when reclined.

In 25+ years of flying, I have had only one incident with someone behind me objecting to me reclining my seat and intentionally bumping my seat when I told him to pound sand. It was an under 6' college kid who wanted to sluch in his seat and rest his knees high on the back of my seat constantly bothering me every time he readjusted and intentionally banging my seat when I reclined. That shit didn't last long, I can tell you that. Ironically, HIS seat was reclined...

Here is a hint for those of you who think you can annoy the passanger in front of you: The flight attendents will tell you to stop, and will take action against you if you do not.

If you are abnormally tall or fat, your size is your problem, not mine. If you need more leg room (not that you lose any when someone reclines anyhow) you need to buy a higher class ticket or work hard to get an exit row.

:thumbsup:

I approve this message
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Until they charge me less for a non-reclinable seat, or charge YOU more to sit behind a non-reclinable seat...I'll recline my seat if and when I choose. That's why they make them that way.

Oh yeah man...this was my reply, exactly. I'm 6'1" and HATE flying coach. But I can't afford First Class. Even if you DON'T recline your seat, my knees are already against your seatback and my feet are hardly touching the floor. :( I fucvknig hate it like you wouldn't believe.

But...it is what it is. Coach. I deal with it. And I recline my seat all the fucking way back when I damn fucking feel like it. And I could care less about the people in back of me. If they bitch or start kicking my seat I pretend I'm having a nightmare and I climb into their lap. Seriously.

AMEN to this and Deeko's response. Who are these "privileged" mother fuckers that think you have to ask to recline the seat anyway? What a joke.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: akshatp

The seat backs/trays are designed so when the seat is reclined, the tray still stays level with the ground. You move yoru seat back and you will still have the same amount of room as if both seats were fully forward.

No, I mean that their seat back will often hit the items on the tray, since the seat back moves while the tray remains stationary.

Wrong... The tray (on planes I have been on) adjusts itself as the seat is reclined.

Actually, no. All tray tables in coach have their folding mechanism attached to the base of the seat in front of you and stay stationary for the very reason that were they attached to the seat back, they would tilt when the seat is reclined.

However, I understand that a little tray table space is lost when the seat is reclined. BUT, tray tables also can slide on their frames back toward your belly. So if you need that space back, simply recline your seat and slide the tray table closer to you.

If you look here, you can see that the support frame turns down and attaches to the base of the seat in front isolating it from any reclining movement in the seat back. You can also see how the tray has been slid back toward the user's seat.

http://static.flickr.com/116/302979026_5d82dfae4b_o.jpg

You can also see a perfect example of my previous post in this thread as the far seat is reclined and the near seat is not. These seats recline 3 inches at the head, and no room is lost at knee level.
 

Mo0o

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I usually slide the tray towards me as a preemptive maneuver to prevent things from being bumped. The way I see it, the 3 inches of reclining room is space the passenger ahead of me paid for, im just squatting it until they want to use it.
 

zeruty

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I've only been on four planes (757 and 737 iirc...) but on all four my knees rested against the seat in front of me (i'm 6'4") and there was nothing I could do about it. Plus I need all the legroom I can get. If I sit through a 2 hour movie at a movie theater, my legs will cramp up when I stand up.... and hurt like hell... so I need to move them around because I sure as hell don't want to get DVTs...
 

jjones

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WTF? The normal position for an airline seat is in the reclined position. It's only in the upright position for takeoff and landing as far as I'm concerned. I've flown countless times and never have had anyone ask to recline their seat, nor have I ever considered asking the person behind me. You people that think I should ask permission or think it's rude are way too uptight.
 

theflyingpig

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I'm willing to bet whenever someone reclines their seat, instead of saying something, you just sit there quietly because you are too much of a pussy to do anything about it.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Basically they are saying, my personal space and comfort level are so much more important than yours that I won't even bother asking you if it's okay.

Discuss.
I still have enough space if they recline, and I don't think protocol needs to be that the passenger in front of you asks if they can recline. I certainly don't ask.

Now if a LARGE person sits next to me on a plane then we can talk about my space being restricted. :confused:
Maybe LARGE people should have to ask to sit next to you, because you're going to lose personal space and comfort level there too. :confused:
 

Farang

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I fly frequently and have never asked, been asked, or seen anyone be asked to recline their seat. I am a tall guy and am squished in pretty good on planes, but I just accept it if someone reclines their seat. They have the right to, just as I do. I would not sit upright for 12 hours on a plane just because the guy behind me said I couldn't put my seat back.