People looking for jobs: BRUSH YOUR TEETH!

Ilmater

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Note: I do have a question at the bottom, so please read on.

I've been helping with college recruiting on two different campuses on behalf of my company for 4 years now, and this never ceases to amaze me. In that time, I've met maybe one or two candidates that are, judging solely on my own perception, Caucasian, and have bad breath. Amazingly, most of these students are intelligent enough to brush their teeth, use mouthwash, or eat a breath mint before talking to a prospective employer.

However, without fail, I have at least 2 or 3 international students (usually of Indian or Asian descent) at EVERY career fair whose breath is so unbearable I don't recommend them for that reason alone. And no, I don't think that's unfair. If I were on their team, I wouldn't want to work with that individual.

I know this will be seen as insensitive by some, but this is an observation I've shared with those I recruit with, and all agree this isn't just my perception.

My question is, should I tell these students about this? I'm inherently afraid of lawsuits, and even my own HR reps don't recommend saying anything, but I feel bad for people that might not have any idea their breath reeks to those they're talking to. Suggestions?
 

Alienwho

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No don't tell them. My good breath is all i've got to compete against these foreign geniuses trying to take my jobs away from me.
 
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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Does it say somewhere in there that Asians and Indians are more susceptible to halitosis than other cultures? If not, then try again. I have considered this, and don't think it's a reasonable assumption.

it doesnt say, but diet may have something to do with it. I mean the most american "cusine" is seasoned with basically just salt. Whereas other cusines use dozens and dozens of spices
 

AgentUnknown

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Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
it doesnt say, but diet may have something to do with it. I mean the most american "cusine" is seasoned with basically just salt. Whereas other cusines use dozens and dozens of spices
So do people in other countries not smell it, or do they just get used to it? Surely they smell the difference between our breath and theirs. Plus, the fact that most DON'T have stinky breath (it's just more prevalent) suggests that they should know better.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
BAH! I knew it would happen. Someone making this out to be a bad thing. Saying this isn't true is in my mind like saying people of African descent don't have darker skin than those with European descent: it's trying to hide differences just because some of us believe that differences are bad.

Listen, I don't care if you're a halitosis specialist, I see what I see (and smell what I smell). I'm not making a generalization based on what I've heard from others, I'm basing it off of what I've experienced myself. I'm telling you, this isn't just a stereotype I came up with, it is a fact: of those students that attend career fairs in the two universities I frequent, a FAR greater portion of the Indian and Asian students that come to my booth have bad breath than do the American/Caucasian students. And I'm willing to bet that if you expand the area to ALL universities in America, this condition would still exist.
 

rh71

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it says up to 25% have chronic bad breath... so your 2 or 3 at every career fair is actually making out well. And, obviously, it's not just because they may not brush their teeth.
 
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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
BAH! I knew it would happen. Someone making this out to be a bad thing. Saying this isn't true is in my mind like saying people of African descent don't have darker skin than those with European descent: it's trying to hide differences just because some of us believe that differences are bad.

Listen, I don't care if you're a halitosis specialist, I see what I see (and smell what I smell). I'm not making a generalization based on what I've heard from others, I'm basing it off of what I've experienced myself. I'm telling you, this isn't just a stereotype I came up with, it is a fact: of those students that attend career fairs in the two universities I frequent, a FAR greater portion of the Indian and Asian students that come to my booth have bad breath than do the American/Caucasian students. And I'm willing to bet that if you expand the area to ALL universities in America, this condition would still exist.

did someone steal your job? I think thats why you're lashing out and trying to make sense as to why someone with smelly breath put you out on the street.

 

crystal

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
BAH! I knew it would happen. Someone making this out to be a bad thing. Saying this isn't true is in my mind like saying people of African descent don't have darker skin than those with European descent: it's trying to hide differences just because some of us believe that differences are bad.

Listen, I don't care if you're a halitosis specialist, I see what I see (and smell what I smell). I'm not making a generalization based on what I've heard from others, I'm basing it off of what I've experienced myself. I'm telling you, this isn't just a stereotype I came up with, it is a fact: of those students that attend career fairs in the two universities I frequent, a FAR greater portion of the Indian and Asian students that come to my booth have bad breath than do the American/Caucasian students. And I'm willing to bet that if you expand the area to ALL universities in America, this condition would still exist.

With your limite interaction, your fact sucks. More likely, it is just your opionion that you try to pass of as "fact".
 

yosuke188

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
BAH! I knew it would happen. Someone making this out to be a bad thing. Saying this isn't true is in my mind like saying people of African descent don't have darker skin than those with European descent: it's trying to hide differences just because some of us believe that differences are bad.

Listen, I don't care if you're a halitosis specialist, I see what I see (and smell what I smell). I'm not making a generalization based on what I've heard from others, I'm basing it off of what I've experienced myself. I'm telling you, this isn't just a stereotype I came up with, it is a fact: of those students that attend career fairs in the two universities I frequent, a FAR greater portion of the Indian and Asian students that come to my booth have bad breath than do the American/Caucasian students. And I'm willing to bet that if you expand the area to ALL universities in America, this condition would still exist.

So this is just as good as saying that blacks are more athletic than whites? Or is it just as bad as saying that blacks commit a lot more crimes than whites?

You are still making a generalization based on one's race, which is not well accepted these days.
 

Billzie7718

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Originally posted by: crystal
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.
BAH! I knew it would happen. Someone making this out to be a bad thing. Saying this isn't true is in my mind like saying people of African descent don't have darker skin than those with European descent: it's trying to hide differences just because some of us believe that differences are bad.

Listen, I don't care if you're a halitosis specialist, I see what I see (and smell what I smell). I'm not making a generalization based on what I've heard from others, I'm basing it off of what I've experienced myself. I'm telling you, this isn't just a stereotype I came up with, it is a fact: of those students that attend career fairs in the two universities I frequent, a FAR greater portion of the Indian and Asian students that come to my booth have bad breath than do the American/Caucasian students. And I'm willing to bet that if you expand the area to ALL universities in America, this condition would still exist.

With your limite interaction, your fact sucks. More likely, it is just your opionion that you try to pass of as "fact".

How much interaction would it take to no longer be considered "LIMITED"?
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: AgentUnknown
Why all the hate against foreigners? I have been around tons of whitey's who don't brush their teeth. Bad breath all over the place. Does it matter what decent people are from when you make generalizations like that? BTW, I am a dentist.

For once I want to see people describe others without bringing up race/culture.

whatever mr. dentist.

haha just kidding...
 

mzkhadir

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Note: I do have a question at the bottom, so please read on.

I've been helping with college recruiting on two different campuses on behalf of my company for 4 years now, and this never ceases to amaze me. In that time, I've met maybe one or two candidates that are, judging solely on my own perception, Caucasian, and have bad breath. Amazingly, most of these students are intelligent enough to brush their teeth, use mouthwash, or eat a breath mint before talking to a prospective employer.

However, without fail, I have at least 2 or 3 international students (usually of Indian or Asian descent) at EVERY career fair whose breath is so unbearable I don't recommend them for that reason alone. And no, I don't think that's unfair. If I were on their team, I wouldn't want to work with that individual.

I know this will be seen as insensitive by some, but this is an observation I've shared with those I recruit with, and all agree this isn't just my perception.

My question is, should I tell these students about this? I'm inherently afraid of lawsuits, and even my own HR reps don't recommend saying anything, but I feel bad for people that might not have any idea their breath reeks to those they're talking to. Suggestions?

some people are fasting that is why they cannot use mouthwash or anything else to fix it.
 

yllus

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No suggestions really, but I thought I'd say I don't think you're doing anything wrong. Missing such a detail in an important meeting like that tends to indicate a general lack of knowledge in personal hygiene, which is a valid black mark on the person. As a Real World (tm) software developer, I'd be glad that a recruiter is whittling out people who fail basics like that from working with me.

There's also a distinction between Ilmater saying "the majority of such and such race have bad breath and thus I won't recommend any of them," and "the majority of such and such race have bad breath" but still going on a case-by-case basis and evaluating each person fairly. It's not like he's going to encounter a pleasantly scented Indian candidate and not recommend him based on other people.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
some people are fasting that is why they cannot use mouthwash or anything else to fix it.
I don't believe there's anything wrong with gargling with mouthwash or chewing a stick of gum as long as you don't swallow it for sustenance.

Furthermore, that's silly to begin with. I respect people's right to practice religion, but if your religion causes you to smell during an interview, don't blame the interviewer for dropping you from the list of candidates.
 

iroast

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Offer them a breath mint and say, "it's always pleasant to interview candidates with fresh, minty breaths".
 

Alienwho

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
some people are fasting that is why they cannot use mouthwash or anything else to fix it.
I don't believe there's anything wrong with gargling with mouthwash or chewing a stick of gum as long as you don't swallow it for sustenance.

Furthermore, that's silly to begin with. I respect people's right to practice religion, but if your religion causes you to smell during an interview, don't blame the interviewer for dropping you from the list of candidates.
I agree, anybody who refuses to brush their teeth because they're "fasting" obviously doesn't understand the purpose or reason for a fast, and thus, fail life and deserve to not get jobs for their stinky breath.
 

compnovice

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Originally posted by: Alienwho
No don't tell them. My good breath is all i've got to compete against these foreign geniuses trying to take my jobs away from me.

:laugh::laugh:

Seriously though, I have met more Indians with clothes smelling of curry than with a bad breath.....

 

athithi

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Fair enough. My wife just interviewed and rejected a candidate (white guy, in the context of this thread :) ) partly because he was stinking and this candidate would be working out of her office. Of course, he wasn't a great match for the position to begin with, but she said the stink didn't help out any. That said, most Westerners use perfumes, colognes, etc., whereas most Indians don't. And unfortunately, it shows. I don't think it is an ethnic issue or related to skin color - it's just a habit FOBs are not accustomed to yet. I suppose you could subtly hint that personal appearance such as neatly pressed clothes, combed down hair, deodorant, after-shave, mouthwash, etc., would help present themselves better. That way you are not singling out bad-breath and you are giving them a useful tip. However, I don't think the problem is in brushing their teeth - they probably just don't use mouthwash or brush out their tongues.
 
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Well what you need to do is have the schools put out a "checklist" of interview tips. Dress nice, bring a copy of your esume/references, brush your hair/TEETH.
 

g paw

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I wouldn't tell the applicants. What I'd do is schedule an appointment with the placement department, someone from the foriegn student office, and any other department dealing with helping students. Then just tell them that there are a lot of applicants that do not present themselves well and give examples including breath. Then tell them what recuiters expect and maybe give a hand out. At least part of the problem is cultural differences. E.g., if you live in a culture that eats a lot of hot spicy food, you can't get too hung up on how someone's breath smell.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
did someone steal your job? I think thats why you're lashing out and trying to make sense as to why someone with smelly breath put you out on the street.
Heh, no. It's just something that bugs me (it's not a pleasant experience, I assure you). Wanted to vent and ask for suggestions.