People have no idea how much smartphones really cost

Did you pay for your current phone upfront?

  • I paid for my phone in full up front

  • I didn't pay in full but would still buy the same device if I had to pay upfront

  • I didn't pay in full and would look for a cheaper device if I had to pay upfront


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thecapsaicinkid

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This really bothers me. Years of carrier subsidies have convinced people that devices are cheap and mobile plans are expensive. The price of smartphones has gone through the roof because carriers have found a way to hide the true cost of phones and convince people it is a good idea to essentially borrow money to buy very expensive consumer electronics.

People think iPhones cost ~£150. Either that or they're aware they cost considerably more but it's ok to borrow money to buy one because 'that's what you do with phones'. I think T-Mobile said similar when they first announced their Un-carrier plans. People don't truly value these expensive devices. You see it all around, not only are people buying devices which are way overspecced for their needs (I need to send a few texts, check Facebook.. when is this Galaxy SIV coming out??) but more importantly, are way out of their budgets. If you're on a very modest income, in what world is a £600 smartphone falling into your budget? People treat devices like their sticker price too. The amount of highend (usually very tatty) smartphones I see kicking around the floor at my gym is obscene. Most people I know like this don't have any sort of insurance either, can barely afford the device in the first place and sure as hell can't afford to replace it should the worst happen.

To top it all off, people are now complaining they have to wait 2 years to get an upgrade!

I wonder if these new plans which separate out the plan from the hardware will make people realise they are indeed taking out finance to buy electronics and re-evaluate their needs/budget.

I shouldn't really care how people spend their money and obviously this topic is a little different when looking at markets where you essentially don't have a choice but to take a subsidy.
 
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Chocu1a

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I am on Verizon & I pay for all my phones out of pocket. I have upgraded 5 times in the past 2 years, starting with my original iPhone 4S>Droid Charge>Galaxy Nexus>Galaxy S3>Galaxy Note2. Each time I have changed phones, it has either cost me no money, or I have actually made money on the deal.
iPhone 4s on contract- $199. Sold for $500, bought Charge for $120, Sold for $150, bought G.Nex for $299, sold for $250, White Galaxy S3 for $275, sold for $350, bought Blue 32gb Galaxy S3 for $300, Sold for $415, Bought White Note 2 for $575, Sold for $600, bought 2 Grey Note 2's for $450 each, Sold one for $600, kept the other.
I ended up with $195 in pocket from my initial $200 spent on the iPhone 4S, plus a brand new in box Note 2. All this was in 1 years time.
 

thecapsaicinkid

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I am on Verizon & I pay for all my phones out of pocket. I have upgraded 5 times in the past 2 years, starting with my original iPhone 4S>Droid Charge>Galaxy Nexus>Galaxy S3>Galaxy Note2. Each time I have changed phones, it has either cost me no money, or I have actually made money on the deal.
iPhone 4s on contract- $199. Sold for $500, bought Charge for $120, Sold for $150, bought G.Nex for $299, sold for $250, White Galaxy S3 for $275, sold for $350, bought Blue 32gb Galaxy S3 for $300, Sold for $415, Bought White Note 2 for $575, Sold for $600, bought 2 Grey Note 2's for $450 each, Sold one for $600, kept the other.
I ended up with $195 in pocket from my initial $200 spent on the iPhone 4S, plus a brand new in box Note 2. All this was in 1 years time.
You've proved my point, your iPhone didn't cost you $199.
 

nickbits

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The plans all are not any cheaper if you have a more expensive phone so I don't see the point in a "cheap phone". I have yet to see a good iPhone prepaid plan.
 
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Red Storm

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Thing is a lot of people have no intention of leaving from one of the big carriers so the 2 year contract doesn't bug them at all. For these people subsidized phone prices are all they know.
 

cronos

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Full price only, and happily.

I seemed to have jumped prepaid carriers every 18 months on average. Sometimes because there's a plan on another carrier that is cheaper and suits my usage pattern better, sometimes because the 'perfect' plan that I had previously was discontinued or changed and became not such a good deal anymore.

We're super light users though, with never more than $15/month/line on average for at least the last 5 years (three lines total, all smartphones with data capabilities). For the past year or so it's been under $35 total/month (for all three lines). There's absolutely zero chance any kind of subsidy/contract/postpaid option can work better for us.
 

_Rick_

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The question that bothers me, is why smart phones are as expensive as they are.
Three-and-a-half years ago I could get an OMAP based 5" tablet for 235 euros 3 months after launch - I paid more than twice that for a Note 2 (with plastic instead of metal construction) in January.

Apple's absurd margins are creating a market, that allows everyone to put insane markups on their high-end phones, and that's before you take into account the insane cost of adding a few GB of flash, that's worth a few cents...
 

Red Storm

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The question that bothers me, is why smart phones are as expensive as they are.
Three-and-a-half years ago I could get an OMAP based 5" tablet for 235 euros 3 months after launch - I paid more than twice that for a Note 2 (with plastic instead of metal construction) in January.

Apple's absurd margins are creating a market, that allows everyone to put insane markups on their high-end phones, and that's before you take into account the insane cost of adding a few GB of flash, that's worth a few cents...

So after three and a half years, the price more than doubled. What about the features, performance, and capabilities?
 

crab0

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Well that iPhone does cost Apple around £150 :p (Yeah Yeah, second one costs that but first cost $3 billion or whatever).
 

Ravynmagi

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I wish phone reviewers would talk more about the real cost of these phones instead of the contract price. I find that kinda annoying.
 

badb0y

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The question that bothers me, is why smart phones are as expensive as they are.
Three-and-a-half years ago I could get an OMAP based 5" tablet for 235 euros 3 months after launch - I paid more than twice that for a Note 2 (with plastic instead of metal construction) in January.

Apple's absurd margins are creating a market, that allows everyone to put insane markups on their high-end phones, and that's before you take into account the insane cost of adding a few GB of flash, that's worth a few cents...

You do know that phones have been expensive all along right? I remember the Nokia N95 had like $750 unsubsidized price.
 
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Why would I pay full price for my phone? I have unlimited att data and plan on staying with them anyways. I'd rather pay $200 then $650.
 

MotionMan

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First question in a series of questions:

If I buy a phone for (subsidized) $200, and have my service for ~$60 month for 2 years, I paid $1,640 over that time period.

If you bought your phone for (unsubsidized) $600 and had some service for 2 years, your average monthly bill would have to be less than $43.33 for you to come out ahead of me.

Is that about right?

MotionMan
 

PingviN

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No point in paying full price for the high end phones here. Unless you want a really, really, really cheap contract, you're going to lose money paying up front.
 

cronos

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First question in a series of questions:

If I buy a phone for (subsidized) $200, and have my service for ~$60 month for 2 years, I paid $1,640 over that time period.

If you bought your phone for (unsubsidized) $600 and had some service for 2 years, your average monthly bill would have to be less than $43.33 for you to come out ahead of me.

Is that about right?

MotionMan

Your math looks right to me.

As I've said above though I personally don't spend more than $15/month on average, so I can easily come out ahead of you :)

In reality, are there any current plans (non-grandfathered) from a major carrier that offers the latest smartphones (with a $600 full price) where you can spend only $60/month (including tax/fees/etc?). I seriously doubt it.
 

Ravynmagi

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For me T-Mobiles 100 minute, 5GB plan for $30 is a huge savings over the $80 I used to pay. So buying my Galaxy Nexus at full price (and now Nexus 4) was a huge savings for me over 2 years.
 

colonelciller

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people are addicted to spending stupid amounts of money so that they can carry around 'cutting edge' surveillance-and-tracking-sensor-packages... erm... smartphones.():)


1984BigBrotherPoster_nazi.jpg

enjoy that mobile surveillance gadget...
...and please remember to upgrade to the newer model which includes additional sensors to improve your quality life... the more we know about you the better.
 
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Your math looks right to me.

As I've said above though I personally don't spend more than $15/month on average, so I can easily come out ahead of you :)

In reality, are there any current plans (non-grandfathered) from a major carrier that offers the latest smartphones (with a $600 full price) where you can spend only $60/month (including tax/fees/etc?). I seriously doubt it.

What do you get for $15 a month? Surely that has to be talk only with very few minutes.
 

MotionMan

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Your math looks right to me.

As I've said above though I personally don't spend more than $15/month on average, so I can easily come out ahead of you :)

In reality, are there any current plans (non-grandfathered) from a major carrier that offers the latest smartphones (with a $600 full price) where you can spend only $60/month (including tax/fees/etc?). I seriously doubt it.

I have unlimited talk and text and shared 10GB of data for five phones and one MyFi. For the smartphones (2 new iPhone 5's, 1 new 4S and 1 old 4), it is about $60/mo. The MyFi is, I think $20/mo.

MotionMan
 

cronos

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What do you get for $15 a month? Surely that has to be talk only with very few minutes.

It is not just talk only, and includes text and data usage as well.

My wife's line (one of the three) is on PagePlus 'The 12' ($12/month) and that got her 250 minutes, 250 text, and 10 MB in a monthly cycle. She never needed more minutes/text, but she goes over 10 MB of data sometimes so when that happens we simply pay a few bucks overage (overage rate of 10c/MB). On her phone, her mobile data is always on, but I installed DroidWall which blocked everything unless wi-fi, except for stuff that she needs (GMail, GTalk, Whatsapp, Browser, Maps/Navigation, Twitter, etc). This works perfectly.

The other two lines are harder to count as they are both pay to go, so I don't *get* anything and I only pay what I use. My usage varies from month to month, sometimes widely. In the summer, for instance, I can easily use up double the average for up to ~$30, while during this past February/March I probably only used about $7-8/month of my balance.

Obviously we use very little and not many people can get by with that kind of usage, but I just wanted to show that for us, buying the phones full price and use prepaid carriers is by far the best option. No postpaid option can get even close.

Btw, for full disclosure because a lot of families don't have this anymore, we also have a home phone through Nettalk that gets reasonable usage (500-750 minutes/month). We paid $35/year for this line for 'unlimited' calls to US/Canada. So that's an additional $3/month on top of the above.
 

MotionMan

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gotta love it when an accurate assessment of privacy issues is met with the 'tinfoil retort'

The only concern I have about surveillance is when I do not know I am being surveilled. Since I know the surveillance capabilities of my smartphone, and have made a conscious choice to own one anyway, comments like yours reek of tinfoil.

Now, if you came here and explained how we were unknowingly being surveilled, then you might have a valid point.

MotionMan