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People blasted VIA for "poor" PCI/IDE performance, Intel with similar issues?

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Jeez guys. Calm down here, why bring up the AMD argument in the first place Candoman? You know it's just going to result in a flame war. Silly, silly. all NFS4 was talking about were problems with INTEL chipsets and via, not AMD. So why bring AMD into the picture?

NFS4 - thanks for the info, it seems interesting, although I would tend to agree that sustained transfers from IDE shouldnt be effect too much.
 


<< Huh, eh? You know, VBboy, even though AMD CPUs may bench higher in benchmarks, I don't want any of them, really. IMVHO, they do not perform as smooth as Intel ones, b/c their architecture is not optimized. Have you ever wondered why a CPU with 128KB L1 Cache and a CPU with 32 or even 8KB L1 Cache perform almost exactly the same? Why did AMD put so much of L1 Cache into their Athlons and Durons? To make them competive. But this resulted in the jerky operatopn of these CPUs. The same apps on Intel CPUs run smooth and fast, and on AMD CPUs fast and jerky. Reasons? They didn't bother optimizing the CPU transistors and rushed it to market. >>


I own both AMD and Intel rigs, and I hold no loyalty to either company, but man, thats such a huge load of BS.

You don't have a clue about this stuff, do you?
 
<<I prefer Intel myself, but agree that AMD CPUs can also be worthy under certain circumstances. So pls no flaming me, I will not participate.>>

STFU you jerk. You come in, crap, and then claim its not yours. Get lost.
 


<< NFS4 - thanks for the info, it seems interesting, although I would tend to agree that sustained transfers from IDE shouldnt be effect too much. >>


You're welcome. The only reason why I posted this is b/c it seems quite similar to what VIA was getting trashed for a couple of weeks ago. It seems as though people aren't as hard on Intel for it though.
 


<< The same apps on Intel CPUs run smooth and fast, and on AMD CPUs fast and jerky. Reasons? They didn't bother optimizing the CPU transistors and rushed it to market. >>


Hmm, fast and jerky huh?

"They didn't bother optimizing the CPU transistors"....................nuff said.
 


<< The only reason why I posted this is b/c it seems quite similar to what VIA was getting trashed for a couple of weeks ago. It seems as though people aren't as hard on Intel for it though. >>

Of course they aren't. It's just because Pabster has been poisoning the minds of many against the use of all VIA products for so long. =)
 


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<< The only reason why I posted this is b/c it seems quite similar to what VIA was getting trashed for a couple of weeks ago. It seems as though people aren't as hard on Intel for it though. >>

Of course they aren't. It's just because Pabster has been poisoning the minds of many against the use of all VIA products for so long. =) >>


Yeah, it is quite sad. I know that he dislikes VIA, but he has made it his mission in life to trash everything that is VIA.
 


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<< STFU you jerk. You come in, crap, and then claim its not yours. Get lost. >>



Calling me crap? What's the use? It's my opinion, and I told you. Could not tell, but why the heck would I be in the forum then? >>



Your opinion seems to be based off of your factual evidence and serious investigative research about VIA, AMD, and Intel. Do you care to share some of your findings with the AT community about some issues you have raised?

You really need to stop writting about hardware issues you have no clue about, it makes you look bad.
 
<< STFU you jerk. You come in, crap, and then claim its not yours. Get lost. >>

You cannot discern the implied YOU in there?

Try:

STFU you jerk. You come in, (you) crap, and then (you) claim its not yours. (You) Get lost.

Is that understood now?

It takes alot of nerve to come in and spew utter garbage about a topic you know nothing about. We lose excellent forum members due to jerks like YOU. If you want to be productive on this forum then drop the AMD bashing. We've spent a long time toning down the AMD vs. Intel rhetoric (and vice versa). Please respect the truce.
 
Candoman, if you don't have a clue about cpu architecture. Why in the hell would you make such baseless comment? If you are going to state something like that you better have the know how to back it up.
 
Lets play nice kids. 🙂

The AHA architecture of any i8xx chipset means that IDE devices don't actually use the PCI bus. They are PCI devices, but they have their own dedicated interconnect back to the ICH and from there to the MCH.

Hey Andy (or anyone else), what dedicated interconnect are you about. If i8xx chipsets don't use the PCI bus, then are there just some other random traces built in that are utilized instead? I'd be very interested in reading the info on this topic.
 


<< Yeah, it is quite sad. I know that he dislikes VIA, but he has made it his mission in life to trash everything that is VIA. >>



I remember when Hardware (member here) was like this with 3DFX flaming and finally he got warned by the Mods and he now seems to be a good member (well done Hardware 😉) now Pabster is the "old Hardware".

We should all try & respect each others hardware rather then flame what people own.
I always thought forums were for helping people ,news, good debates etc ,not flaming.

Getting back on topic well there will always be some minor problems with computer hardware since you cannot test for all known bugs in the lab,as other members have pointed out no chipset is perfect,we live with bugs all the time that`s why you have Bios updates,drivers updates etc.

🙂
 


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<< The workaround would be avoiding buying an extremely overpriced, poorly-per-mhz-performing, overpipelined CPU >>



Huh, eh? You know, VBboy, even though AMD CPUs may bench higher in benchmarks, I don't want any of them, really. IMVHO, they do not perform as smooth as Intel ones, b/c their architecture is not optimized. Have you ever wondered why a CPU with 128KB L1 Cache and a CPU with 32 or even 8KB L1 Cache perform almost exactly the same? Why did AMD put so much of L1 Cache into their Athlons and Durons? To make them competive. But this resulted in the jerky operatopn of these CPUs. The same apps on Intel CPUs run smooth and fast, and on AMD CPUs fast and jerky. Reasons? They didn't bother optimizing the CPU transistors and rushed it to market.

I don't even try to remind you that for AMD CPUs there're no Intel chipsets. On the Intel bug page, you can see dozens of small or even quite serious glitches for the chipsets that have always been rock stable and paragons for us (for example, the i815E-B that has been working flawlessly, rock stable and absolutely glitch-free for me also has quite serious sounding glitches according to Intel's bug page). Intel is a very honest company, they do publish the bugs ('errata'). Neither AMD, nor VIA do it. We can only guess how much bugs (I'm sure, a dozen times more than with Intel, like hundreds) SiS chipsets have and VIA ones, and AMD CPUs too. >>



Ah, I love comments from the ignorant and uneducated, and the dumb 🙂 Since reading your comments, I have come up with the conclusion that you don't know what in the hell you're talking about 🙂
 
"lose excellent forum members due to jerks like YOU"
No, not really. Abusive people who harass others are the type of jerk. It was not candoman who traded in personal remarks and abusiveness.
 
Mem wrote:

"I remember when Hardware (member here) was like this with 3DFX flaming and finally he got warned by the Mods and he now seems to be a good member (well done Hardware ) now Pabster is the "old Hardware"."

ROFLMAO 😀 I'll take that as a compliment.

Quite to my defense, you don't see me starting anti-whatever threads, be it VIA-related or anything else. I do chime in on various VIA-related issues, particularly to correct misinformation I see abound. But you don't see me engaging in wild flame shoots or beginning them with a given topic.

The whole problem is no one can stay ON TOPIC. Anything with "Intel" in the topic is guaranteed to turn in to an Intel vs AMD flame shoot. Sad, but true. And the same can be said for nVidia vs ATi, et al. What starts off as a specific discussion always ends up turning in to a wide open free-for-all because of some careless flame shooter.
 


<< Mem wrote:

"I remember when Hardware (member here) was like this with 3DFX flaming and finally he got warned by the Mods and he now seems to be a good member (well done Hardware ) now Pabster is the "old Hardware"."

ROFLMAO 😀 I'll take that as a compliment.

Quite to my defense, you don't see me starting anti-whatever threads, be it VIA-related or anything else. I do chime in on various VIA-related issues, particularly to correct misinformation I see abound. But you don't see me engaging in wild flame shoots or beginning them with a given topic.

The whole problem is no one can stay ON TOPIC. Anything with "Intel" in the topic is guaranteed to turn in to an Intel vs AMD flame shoot. Sad, but true. And the same can be said for nVidia vs ATi, et al. What starts off as a specific discussion always ends up turning in to a wide open free-for-all because of some careless flame shooter. >>


Pabster, DON'T take that as a compliment. While I think that you are quite harsh to VIA, you are NO WHERE as bad as Hardware EVER was.
 
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