People are moving out of the blue states to the red states

charrison

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The most significant voting bloc in California's famous recall election isn't Hispanics or angry male Democrats but the people who were so eager to weigh in that they've already voted -- with their feet. According to a report out this month from the U.S. Census Bureau, an astounding 2,204,500 Californians threw in the towel from 1995 to 2000 and highballed it out of the "Golden State." The state's net migration figure for the period is -755,536, and would be worse if Latin American immigrants didn't still drop in for a look. This is the first time the net migration number for California has ever gone negative.

We in New York should be so lucky to have a chance to recall our profligate pols. The Census figures make those of us staying in the "Empire State" look like the nation's biggest saps: Some 1,600,725 shrewd subjects of Albany's empire saw in the late 1990s that the pols were blowing the revenue surge out the window and escaped ahead of the recent tax hikes passed to close the inevitable deficit. Because so many former New Yorkers understood the meaning of present-discounted non-value, the state took first place in net migration loss: -874,248. The bureau says New Yorkers fled to every state in the Union except Nebraska and the District of Columbia. Don't expect this datum to show up in the welcoming speeches by George Pataki and Mike Bloomberg when the GOP holds its weirdly inappropriate convention in Manhattan next year.

If you look down the Census Bureau's coming-and-going column nearby, the consistent breakdown of Democratic blue-state population losers and Republican red-state gainers is striking (there are exceptions; Oregon and Washington state gained, while Louisiana lost). This may leave the blue states bluer than ever, but not very pleasant places to live if their most industrious, motivated citizens are loading up one-way U-Hauls.

It's well known that Arizona and Nevada are growth states, but the numbers for places generally thought to be mostly desert are impressive: Arizona's net gain is 316,148; Nevada's is 233,934.

The economies of California, New York and Illinois have been supported for years by inflows of foreign-born immigrants, and they still come. But this census shows large net losses even of recent immigrants in these three blue states. Almost certainly these are the most motivated, successful new arrivers, who know a lot about maximizing their gains.

When the Los Angeles Times published a story on the outflow, it didn't have much trouble identifying the reason: The exodus is economic. In the world's stalest states, such as Germany or Japan, people faced with cost-of-living waters rising to choking levels turn numb and go nowhere. But here in the U.S. moving on is a tradition, and today we have Web sites to reveal a suitable refuge from state political cultures intent on keeping the spending and tax spigot open.

Monstermoving.com lets you discover relative buying power if you lived somewhere else. Let's type in L.A. and Tucson, just next door: "A salary of $30,000 in Los Angeles has the same buying power that a salary of $13,448 has in Tucson." For Las Vegas the figure is $13,241. If on top of this they elect a Gray Davis governor, why stay?
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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bye, don't let the door slap you one the way out of California. I might move out too, but you gotta admit, you can't beat the climate over here, bizatch
Othre places ith's either oo hot or roo humid, and als0, I bleieve Charles Shaw wine is $3 other states, but $2 in CA. So ity's like this yall. I dihg nevaeda just like anyone, I mena vegaz is my favorite place to be, byut you can't ocmo[peare the climnatate with da bay areas, I duynno, maybetr you like %110 farengheihgt temperatures in Veges,. but I am willing to drop some3 cash fore ana partymdent in da buay area that qis like 75 or so yrear arouynd, Sreioulsly dog, you gotta be mad drunk to just go live in nervada. U know, I listen ot htis rihght wing radio thingy on my AM dial, and man this gueys are always biattching about how nevada is so good and taxes are low, but yougotta realize it's like dis man. You wanna live in a FVXCKING edessert environment where yuou have to feel oncomfrogtable to go ourside in the summer, reallhy is 8.25 % sales tax too much to pay for this nice baya rea climate? I mean really. I am a climate freak. Like NY was really bad. Cold in winter and humid in summer. LA was aait in wingtyer and too hot and smoggy in summer, bvut I am diggint he bay are aweaether.it's some4thing around 70-90 ish all around. maybe a couple weeks a year you need Ac, and acouple of weeks you need a heater but 48 weeks you don't need stuf at all. If only there were more wonen in SLicon Valley, htat would be kicka@#S.
 

Mean MrMustard

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Jan 5, 2001
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
bye, don't let the door slap you one the way out of California. I might move out too, but you gotta admit, you can't beat the climate over here, bizatch
Othre places ith's either oo hot or roo humid, and als0, I bleieve Charles Shaw wine is $3 other states, but $2 in CA. So ity's like this yall. I dihg nevaeda just like anyone, I mena vegaz is my favorite place to be, byut you can't ocmo[peare the climnatate with da bay areas, I duynno, maybetr you like %110 farengheihgt temperatures in Veges,. but I am willing to drop some3 cash fore ana partymdent in da buay area that qis like 75 or so yrear arouynd, Sreioulsly dog, you gotta be mad drunk to just go live in nervada. U know, I listen ot htis rihght wing radio thingy on my AM dial, and man this gueys are always biattching about how nevada is so good and taxes are low, but yougotta realize it's like dis man. You wanna live in a FVXCKING edessert environment where yuou have to feel oncomfrogtable to go ourside in the summer, reallhy is 8.25 % sales tax too much to pay for this nice baya rea climate? I mean really. I am a climate freak. Like NY was really bad. Cold in winter and humid in summer. LA was aait in wingtyer and too hot and smoggy in summer, bvut I am diggint he bay are aweaether.it's some4thing around 70-90 ish all around. maybe a couple weeks a year you need Ac, and acouple of weeks you need a heater but 48 weeks you don't need stuf at all. If only there were more wonen in SLicon Valley, htat would be kicka@#S.

English, please...
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: ELP
Originally posted by: SuperTool
bye, don't let the door slap you one the way out of California. I might move out too, but you gotta admit, you can't beat the climate over here, bizatch
Othre places ith's either oo hot or roo humid, and als0, I bleieve Charles Shaw wine is $3 other states, but $2 in CA. So ity's like this yall. I dihg nevaeda just like anyone, I mena vegaz is my favorite place to be, byut you can't ocmo[peare the climnatate with da bay areas, I duynno, maybetr you like %110 farengheihgt temperatures in Veges,. but I am willing to drop some3 cash fore ana partymdent in da buay area that qis like 75 or so yrear arouynd, Sreioulsly dog, you gotta be mad drunk to just go live in nervada. U know, I listen ot htis rihght wing radio thingy on my AM dial, and man this gueys are always biattching about how nevada is so good and taxes are low, but yougotta realize it's like dis man. You wanna live in a FVXCKING edessert environment where yuou have to feel oncomfrogtable to go ourside in the summer, reallhy is 8.25 % sales tax too much to pay for this nice baya rea climate? I mean really. I am a climate freak. Like NY was really bad. Cold in winter and humid in summer. LA was aait in wingtyer and too hot and smoggy in summer, bvut I am diggint he bay are aweaether.it's some4thing around 70-90 ish all around. maybe a couple weeks a year you need Ac, and acouple of weeks you need a heater but 48 weeks you don't need stuf at all. If only there were more wonen in SLicon Valley, htat would be kicka@#S.

English, please...

I guess that is what $2 bottles of wine will do to ones typing skills.

 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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OK, seriously, how many alcoholics were made by #$2 bottles of charles shaw wine. I mean this Sh!t is cheaper than grape juice.
 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Right on, dealmonkey. You know how much better traffic is on 101 from san jose to sf? And rents are cheaper too. seriosly, people, leave already, let the housing prices drop. supply and demand, baby.
 

Insane3D

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May 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
bye, don't let the door slap you one the way out of California. I might move out too, but you gotta admit, you can't beat the climate over here, bizatch
Othre places ith's either oo hot or roo humid, and als0, I bleieve Charles Shaw wine is $3 other states, but $2 in CA. So ity's like this yall. I dihg nevaeda just like anyone, I mena vegaz is my favorite place to be, byut you can't ocmo[peare the climnatate with da bay areas, I duynno, maybetr you like %110 farengheihgt temperatures in Veges,. but I am willing to drop some3 cash fore ana partymdent in da buay area that qis like 75 or so yrear arouynd, Sreioulsly dog, you gotta be mad drunk to just go live in nervada. U know, I listen ot htis rihght wing radio thingy on my AM dial, and man this gueys are always biattching about how nevada is so good and taxes are low, but yougotta realize it's like dis man. You wanna live in a FVXCKING edessert environment where yuou have to feel oncomfrogtable to go ourside in the summer, reallhy is 8.25 % sales tax too much to pay for this nice baya rea climate? I mean really. I am a climate freak. Like NY was really bad. Cold in winter and humid in summer. LA was aait in wingtyer and too hot and smoggy in summer, bvut I am diggint he bay are aweaether.it's some4thing around 70-90 ish all around. maybe a couple weeks a year you need Ac, and acouple of weeks you need a heater but 48 weeks you don't need stuf at all. If only there were more wonen in SLicon Valley, htat would be kicka@#S.

Hmmm...it appears we have a suspected case of P.W.I. ;):Q

:D
 

drag

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Jul 4, 2002
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Ya whoho southern californa! Los Angeles, San Fransisco! What a wonderful place. Insane costs of living, people paid to be homeless, drugs, high taxes, smog, traffic, realistate that costs a arm and a leg, insane gun laws, people deficating and urinating in the street, prostitution, hollywood movies, socialist government, enviromental jihad people who are to stupid to realise that their own cities are pumping raw sewage into the ocean, public school system more concerned about politics then teaching people english...


What a wonderfull place, can't wait to move there.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: drag
Ya whoho southern californa! Los Angeles, San Fransisco! What a wonderful place. Insane costs of living, people paid to be homeless, drugs, high taxes, smog, traffic, realistate that costs a arm and a leg, insane gun laws, people deficating and urinating in the street, prostitution, hollywood movies, socialist government, enviromental jihad people who are to stupid to realise that their own cities are pumping raw sewage into the ocean, public school system more concerned about politics then teaching people english...


What a wonderfull place, can't wait to move there.
Wow that was an ignorant post.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: drag
Ya whoho southern californa! Los Angeles, San Fransisco! What a wonderful place. Insane costs of living, people paid to be homeless, drugs, high taxes, smog, traffic, realistate that costs a arm and a leg, insane gun laws, people deficating and urinating in the street, prostitution, hollywood movies, socialist government, enviromental jihad people who are to stupid to realise that their own cities are pumping raw sewage into the ocean, public school system more concerned about politics then teaching people english...


What a wonderfull place, can't wait to move there.
Wow that was an ignorant post.

Ignorant? maybe-maybe not but IMO it was more like 'tactless'.

CkG
 

BOBDN

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We live in New Jersey. Easy access to NY City and all its wonders. More choices for recreation than you can imagine. I like it here. Very sophistaced and cosmopolitan. And the most densely populated state in the nation.

So please, someone, make some of these new arrivals move to the red states. Besides, as long as the number of electoral votes remains constant what's the difference? ;)
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: drag
Ya whoho southern californa! Los Angeles, San Fransisco! What a wonderful place. Insane costs of living, people paid to be homeless, drugs, high taxes, smog, traffic, realistate that costs a arm and a leg, insane gun laws, people deficating and urinating in the street, prostitution, hollywood movies, socialist government, enviromental jihad people who are to stupid to realise that their own cities are pumping raw sewage into the ocean, public school system more concerned about politics then teaching people english...


What a wonderfull place, can't wait to move there.

Right, please keep it up with your ridiculous blathering. If you, and everyone else who hates California can just keep it up, maybe we can actually clear this state of all of the losers. Just like you. Buh-bye now.
 

sMiLeYz

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I wonder what are the stastics for people moving out of the country because Bush and his Republican friends is running our country to the ground with high deficits, unjustified invasion of other soveign nations, high unemployment, economic ressesion, curtailing our civil liberties, wrecking havoc on our beautiful natural resources, shifting tax burden to the middle class etc.

 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what are the stastics for people moving out of the country because Bush and his Republican friends is running our country to the ground with high deficits, unjustified invasion of other soveign nations, high unemployment, economic ressesion, curtailing our civil liberties, wrecking havoc on our beautiful natural resources, shifting tax burden to the middle class etc.

Well hopefully we'll be minus one Baldwin - if he ever follows through with his promise;)
:D
CkG
 

BOBDN

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May 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what are the stastics for people moving out of the country because Bush and his Republican friends is running our country to the ground with high deficits, unjustified invasion of other soveign nations, high unemployment, economic ressesion, curtailing our civil liberties, wrecking havoc on our beautiful natural resources, shifting tax burden to the middle class etc.

You mean people moving from the blue states and the red states to the outta' the states? :Q

I have more than a few friends considering Canada if Bush is re-elected.

Hope the economy and your job situation improve soon, sMiLeYz.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I wonder what are the stastics for people moving out of the country because Bush and his Republican friends is running our country to the ground with high deficits, unjustified invasion of other soveign nations, high unemployment, economic ressesion, curtailing our civil liberties, wrecking havoc on our beautiful natural resources, shifting tax burden to the middle class etc.

You mean people moving from the blue states and the red states to the outta' the states? :Q

I have more than a few friends considering Canada if Bush is re-elected.

Hope the economy and your job situation improve soon, sMiLeYz.

Yup

I don't see a problem with that - lets only hope they have the guts to do it once Bush is re-elected.

The economy is steadily improving.

sMiLeYz - that FS thread still up to date? I keep trying to bump it but I don't know if the stuff is still available. Good luck hunting for a Job. If you are an Electrical Engineer or know of one who needs a job- the company I work for is looking for a couple because of our increased work load.

CkG
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: ELP
Originally posted by: SuperTool
bye, don't let the door slap you one the way out of California. I might move out too, but you gotta admit, you can't beat the climate over here, bizatch
Othre places ith's either oo hot or roo humid, and als0, I bleieve Charles Shaw wine is $3 other states, but $2 in CA. So ity's like this yall. I dihg nevaeda just like anyone, I mena vegaz is my favorite place to be, byut you can't ocmo[peare the climnatate with da bay areas, I duynno, maybetr you like %110 farengheihgt temperatures in Veges,. but I am willing to drop some3 cash fore ana partymdent in da buay area that qis like 75 or so yrear arouynd, Sreioulsly dog, you gotta be mad drunk to just go live in nervada. U know, I listen ot htis rihght wing radio thingy on my AM dial, and man this gueys are always biattching about how nevada is so good and taxes are low, but yougotta realize it's like dis man. You wanna live in a FVXCKING edessert environment where yuou have to feel oncomfrogtable to go ourside in the summer, reallhy is 8.25 % sales tax too much to pay for this nice baya rea climate? I mean really. I am a climate freak. Like NY was really bad. Cold in winter and humid in summer. LA was aait in wingtyer and too hot and smoggy in summer, bvut I am diggint he bay are aweaether.it's some4thing around 70-90 ish all around. maybe a couple weeks a year you need Ac, and acouple of weeks you need a heater but 48 weeks you don't need stuf at all. If only there were more wonen in SLicon Valley, htat would be kicka@#S.

English, please...


some people can't hack it:) good riddance. ;)

that or fear the liberal zionist-like settlement policies of the east and west coast! bahahahah!