Pentium M 770 (2.13 GHz) vs Turion 64 Mobile ML-37 (2.0 GHz)

[Mr Bob]

Pentium M 770 (2.13 GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB) vs Turion 64 Mobile ML-37 (2.0 GHz)

Which is the better performer I don't care about the price,just looking for performance with 32 bit apps.

I haven't been able to find any benchmarks comparing these two chips.

 

[AMDrulZ]

the turion is the better all round CPU......

 

[Furen]

I'd say that they'll perform within 5% of each other depending on the application (on some apps turion will be better, on other the pentium M). Battery life should be better on the Turion unless you run your PC at 100% load all the time. LaptopLogic did a comparison between the Turion ML-37 and the Pentium M 760 Here (the 770 has a 6.7% higher clock, so performance should be around 4-5% better).

One thing that I should point out is that most manufacturers throw DDR333 on Turion notebooks, which makes it perform slightly slower.

 

[josh609]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Pentium M 770 (2.13 GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB) vs Turion 64 Mobile ML-37 (2.0 GHz)

Which is the better performer I don't care about the price,just looking for performance with 32 bit apps.

I haven't been able to find any benchmarks comparing these two chips.

You need to read this: http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/

 

[Mr Bob]

Great link!

Guess that the Pentium M in a laptop with DDR533 and a 17" w/ a 6800 screen compared to the DDR333 and a 15.4" screen w/ an x700, the Pentium M for $300 less is a better buy.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Great link!

Guess that the Pentium M in a laptop with DDR533 and a 17" w/ a 6800 screen compared to the DDR333 and a 15.4" screen w/ an x700, the Pentium M for $300 less is a better buy.

hey maybe you will get one like mine that BSOD about every 3 days...dell crap I am about to send back....same specs as you listed...

Evidently Dell forgot to tell pplthat laptops are not meant to be used more then a few hours at a time and never meant to stay on full time even if plugged in....

The P-M cruncheds great F@H times iof I can keep it from BSOD so often...always says "memory parity check error"....

 

[Mr Bob]

lol, 1) Its not for me (I just bought the rig in my sig and have NO money at all) 2) I doubt it. Dell isn't known for sending quite a few loads of crap. Out of the 8 or so systems I have had, I haven't ever ran into a problem. Goodluck with sending it back, I hear they can be a bitch to work with. If you can get someone that can't speak english, usually you will be able to save some extra money, get some refunds, etc.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
lol, 1) Its not for me (I just bought the rig in my sig and have NO money at all) 2) I doubt it. Dell isn't known for sending quite a few loads of crap. Out of the 8 or so systems I have had, I haven't ever ran into a problem. Goodluck with sending it back, I hear they can be a bitch to work with. If you can get someone that can't speak english, usually you will be able to save some extra money, get some refunds, etc.

really....OUr office is now 3 for 4 bad laptops of our Dell purchases in the last 2 years....Go ask MarkFW about their budsinesses Dell computers....

 

[thelush84]

Before clicking on that link I was certain the PM was the better cpu but I was wrong. Though I guess they are pretty much equal when it comes to gaming tests on those two rigs, but is it possible to get a Turion with a nVidia 6800 go like you can with the Dell XPS PM machines?

 

[Avalon]

They should be fairly equal.
DDR333 won't hurt performance on a Turion system, btw. A little less bandwidth won't make hardly any difference on A64 architecture.

 

[Furen]

DDR333 will hurt performance, but not significantly. If given the choice between the two computers I'd go for the ferrari, it's just so much more stylish and more portable (17" screens are huge, which makes the laptop huge).

 

[fbrdphreak]

The thing to keep in mind when choosing laptops with Pentium M vs Turion is that there is a MUCH larger selection of Intel laptops with higher end GPU's. A number of them are unfortunately P4, but you can find some P-M like Dell's machines. The problem is that AMD doesn't want their new uber-cool thin & light CPU to be used in a zero battery life gaming machine because it disrupts the image they want to sell w/Turion. Thus if you find an AMD+high end GPU machine it will most likely use an A64, FX, or X2. I think there might be on laptop (from Voodoo maybe?) that has the option of using Turion with a decent GPu.

 

[Markfw]

Well, All I can say, is I am very impressed with my sons Compaq turion system. Duvie even played on it. So he is the best judge of both IMO.

 

[dexvx]

Dell laptops are not the best in terms of build quality, but to say they BSOD every few days is highly overexaggerating. The fact of the matter is, a Pentium-M can compete with an Athlon64, clock to clock, with less power consumption. A Turion is just a mobile version of the Athlon64.

I have a Dell I8600 that has been on 24/7 since I bought it almost 2 years ago (minus the time I spilled water on it and had to let it dry for a week).

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: josh609
You need to read this: http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/

Thanks for that link, helped a lot.

Hermit

 

[Leper Messiah]

LOL at dell having high build quality. They're f$%^ing optiplexes pop PSU's left and right here...and my brother's P-M has been BSODing while Playing Civ 4 (not sure if thats just the game though)

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: 21stHermit

Originally posted by: josh609
You need to read this: http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/

Thanks for that link, helped a lot.

Hermit

I like this best from that article:

Update:

Despite our new test results, things are even more un-clear than before. Sure, we have concrete results that have been verified and re-verified. We know for sure that Dothan is SLIGHTLY better on battery life and that Turion is SLIGHTLY better performing (in most cases). But these results leave the "winner" of this architectural comparison even more vague. Our final decision for Turion 64 still stands, but not because it "beat" Dothan or is supremely better than Intel's Centrino platform. Turion 64 offers equivalent or better performance, very comparable batter life, and a lower price tag (in most situations).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: dexvx
The fact of the matter is, a Pentium-M can compete with an Athlon64, clock to clock, with less power consumption. A Turion is just a mobile version of the Athlon64.

According to that review the power consumption is nearly identical, as well as the performance. While it is a A64, it is more specifically E4 based with SSE3, and very competitive TDP thanks to binning. Depending on wether this is for gaming or not, the GPU selection available for each platform, as was pointed out, is the only real factor to consider since price has been excluded.

 

[Accord99]

That's just one review. There are others where a comparable performing P-M has half the power consumption of a Turion ML at full load.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...on-64-Pentium-M-Asus-A6000-327%2f11%2f
30W power usage difference between a 2GHz P-M and Turion ML using similarly equipped Asus A6000 series playing Doom 3.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis.../le-turion-dans-les-desktops/page4.php
The delta for a 2.2GHz Turion ML between stepped down idle and full load is 42W, 26W for a 2.2GHz Turion MT and 17W for a 2.13GHz P-M.

And PCMag got 5:11 in the BatteryMark 2004 life test for a Gateway M680XL with a 98WHr battery-life. That's 6W, or nearly 25%, less average power consumption than the Acer 8104, despite the M680XL having a 17" LCD, a faster 2.13GHz P-M and a 7200rpm drive.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1814894,00.asp

 

[Shadowmage]

Turion was designed to offer low power consumption at low CPU usage states, since that's what laptops are generally designed to do.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: Shadowmage
Turion was designed to offer low power consumption at low CPU usage states, since that's what laptops are generally designed to do.

So is the P-M. At low usage, you're basically talking about <1W of CPU usage from the CPU. That's why P-M laptops without a power hungry video card can last almost 4 hours on a 53WHr battery.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: dexvx
The fact of the matter is, a Pentium-M can compete with an Athlon64, clock to clock, with less power consumption. A Turion is just a mobile version of the Athlon64.

According to that review the power consumption is nearly identical, as well as the performance. While it is a A64, it is more specifically E4 based with SSE3, and very competitive TDP thanks to binning. Depending on wether this is for gaming or not, the GPU selection available for each platform, as was pointed out, is the only real factor to consider since price has been excluded.

No its not, the 760 out does the ML-37 by 37% in terms of battery life at constant load.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: dexvxNo its not, the 760 out does the ML-37 by 37% in terms of battery life at constant load.

That is a fair bit.

Accord99, thanks for allt hose links, very informative.