Pentium II 333Mhz vs. Celeron 433Mhz

[Biggs]

Both are run using an Intel AL440LX mobo @66Mhz FSB. I'm kinda stumped on which would be the faster one -- the former having less clock speed(i.e. 333Mhz) but more L2 cache speed(i.e. 166.5Mhz) or the latter having more clock speed(433Mhz) but less L2 cache speed(i.e. 128Mhz). Anyone can shed some light on this? Many thanks.

 

[Bovinicus]

I would guess that they are pretty close in performance. However, that is why there are such things as benchmarks. Try downloading a few free ones, like 3DMark or PCMark. They should be able to give you a good idea as to which one offers higher performance.

 

[igowerf]

I think the Celeron is faster. I used to have a PII 400 (100Mhz FSB) and I replaced it with a Celeron 466 and games were slightly faster.

 

[Biggs]

The problem is I don't have either of the processors.

 

[Bovinicus]

If they have the same amount of L2 cache, and the Celeron's cache is just clocked a little slower, then the Celeron is probably faster. However, if the P2 has more L2 cache, I think it would seriously hinder the performance of the Celeron to have less cache, especially with newer software having larger memory footprints.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Bovinicus
If they have the same amount of L2 cache, and the Celeron's cache is just clocked a little slower, then the Celeron is probably faster. However, if the P2 has more L2 cache, I think it would seriously hinder the performance of the Celeron to have less cache, especially with newer software having larger memory footprints.

actually, that's wrong. the celeron's cache is clocked FASTER. the PII's cache ran at 1/2 processor speed, while the celeron's cache ran at full processor speed. so you're looking at 512KB@166MHz vs. 128KB@433MHz. The celeron will outperform the PII in many situations. Back in the day, the old 300A @ 450 would outperform or match a PII450. Your 433 will be hindered somewhat by it's 66 MHz bus speed, but I think I'd still put my money on it over the PII.

if the celeron has a cache speed of 128MHz, as the original guy mistakenly suggests, the divider would have to be 1/3.3828125. So um, no.

 

[dexvx]

Celeron has 128KB L2 cache at 433Mhz (on die cache)
P2-333 has 512KB L2 cache at 166Mhz (off die 1/2 speed cache).

I would say the celeron could outperform the P2 in almost any application. Also, P6 based cores (such as those 2 procs) dont require as much L2 cache as P67 based (Pentium4 series) processors.

 

[majewski9]

Go with the celly !!!!!!!!

 

[oldfart]

If you are getting a processor for an LX mobo, the fastest available is the Celeron 533 PPGA (not 533A FC-PGA).

 

[Lvis]

I would bet that the celeron is faster. You might be able to get it running on the 75mhz bus, too. 6.5x75 is 487 mhz wouldn't be too shabby, for an lx board.

 

[oldfart]

Both are run using an Intel AL440LX mobo @66Mhz FSB

This is an Intel brand board. No overclocking possible. I've done upgrades on a couple PC's (Dell and Gateway), that use this board. The Celeron PPGA 533 and a slocket is the best you can get out of one of these.

 

[Trader05]

id go with the celeron, 100mhz more...

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Bovinicus
Your 433 will be hindered somewhat by it's 66 MHz bus speed, but I think I'd still put my money on it over the PII.

The PII 333MHz also uses a 66MHz FSB, the Pentium II line didnt transfer to the 100MHz FSB until 350MHz.

In any case the Celeron 433MHz should outperform the PII 333MHz in virtually 99% of applications.
Indeed, I would tend to give a VERY VERY small edge to a Celeron 333MHz over the PII 333MHz.
The classic Menodino core Celeron's were an absolutely incredible price/performance bargain at the time.

PII 333MHz/66MHz FSB, 512KB off die cache at 165MHz.
Celeron 433MHz/66MHz FSB, 128KB on die cache at 433MHz.

 

[BFG10K]

The Celeron should give the Pentium II a beating. Of course it's all relative because both are so slow you probably won't care about the performance difference.

 

[Sunner]

The Celeron will beat the P-2 with ease.

Back in the days of Mendocino Celeron vs Klamath/Deschutes P-2's, they were actually pretty much identical in IPC, hence the higher clocked one will win, and in this case, the Celeron is clocked ~30 percent higher, hence the Celeron will win in most cases.

 

[Biggs]

Thanks, folks, that certainly cleared things up for me. My bad though, the Celeron 433Mhz uses 128KB L2 Cache and runs at 433Mhz.