Pentium D 3 ghz.

[imported_Leopard]

I'm buying a new computer tomorrow morning. So i wanted to ask some information..
Like,

i want to buy a p4 dual core 3ghz. is this ok ? or AMD X2 is better ?
Is 350W Power supply ok for dual cores ?
do i need to buy a better cpu fan than intels original one ?
any ideas ?

thank you

I mainly use 2d/3d applications and some games...

 

[F1shF4t]

Amd x2 is sertainly better just get the 3800+ X2 its quicker and about same cost. (this is coming from a person who owned only intel cpus till now, so by all means its NOT a biased opinion)
Pentium D sertainly runs hot, also depends where u live, like for me since i'm in australia it would be no use running a P D it would throtle like all the time
It should work with the retal cooler, unless ur overclocking, be prepared for vacum cleaner sounds when u play games or run cpu at 100%.

 

[stevty2889]

Get an X2, any X2 is better than the pentium-d 830. 350w PSU? even a quality 350w PSU would reallly be pushing it. As for the CPU fan..the stock fan is no where near good enough. Even with an aftermarket cooler my pentium-d is hitting 70c under load, which is only 2c away from throttling temps, it was hitting 74c and throttling with the stock cooler. My X2 is overclocked to 2.618ghz on the stock AMD cooler, and gets a max of 51c under load, and blows away the pentium-d at everything even at stock speeds.

 

[imported_Leopard]

OK, it seems like X2 is a better choice.
So, another question, P4 830 d is 3ghz. and X2 4200 is 2.2ghz..

what this ghz thing ? 3ghz must be faster than 2.2 right ?...why amd is lower then intel in that area? why amd 4200 isn't 3.2ghz or something better than 2.2 ? ?

 

[DrMrLordX]

ghz means gigahertz. It describes the number of cycles the processor runs per second. AMD processors do more per clock cycle(i.e. they have a higher instructions per clock, or IPC), so an AMD processor at 2.2 ghz can beat an Intel processor at 3.2 ghz, especially if that's a Netburst-based processor(which the Pentium D is).

So no, 3.2 ghz isn't necessarily faster than 2.2 ghz. You're buying the "megahertz myth" that Intel successfully used as a marketing tool for years. They've dropped it recently, taking clock speed out of processor names in their lineup, but it still sells their chips from time to time.

Currently, AMD makes the best PC processors, bar none. You won't do well picking an Intel unless you're looking at a Pentium M for a notebook, and even then, the AMD Turion is competative.

 

[TonyRic]

i want to buy a p4 dual core 3ghz. is this ok ? I have the 3GHz chip and it screams

or AMD X2 is better ? yes

Is 350W Power supply ok for dual cores ? No

do i need to buy a better cpu fan than intels original one ? Not if you have GOOD airflow in your case

 

[imported_Leopard]

ok, so i'm gonna buy AMD X2. I called my computer shop and they have
x2 4200 at the price which i can buy..And i can buy and Asus case which is about 80$ but with a 300W of powersupply.
is 4200 gonna do with 300W of powersupply. I'll only have 1 hdd, 1 dvdwriter, 2 gigs of ram and geforce 6600gt graphics card.
So do i need to buy a new powersupply ? (and why, what if i use it with 300W? is it gonna explode or something? )
and do i need to buy a new cpu cooler for x2 4200 ? or retail one will do it ?

 

[imported_Leopard]

and i'm going to render a lot, which means the computer will stay too many hours on, with %100 percent of cpu usage..

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Leopard
ok, so i'm gonna buy AMD X2. I called my computer shop and they have
x2 4200 at the price which i can buy..And i can buy and Asus case which is about 80$ but with a 300W of powersupply.
is 4200 gonna do with 300W of powersupply. I'll only have 1 hdd, 1 dvdwriter, 2 gigs of ram and geforce 6600gt graphics card.
So do i need to buy a new powersupply ? (and why, what if i use it with 300W? is it gonna explode or something? )
and do i need to buy a new cpu cooler for x2 4200 ? or retail one will do it ?

Don't get the 4200+..

Get either the 3800+ or the 4400+ with 1MB of cache..

4200+ is a waste..

 

[DrMrLordX]

The 4200+ is only a waste if he plans on overclocking.

 

[imported_Leopard]

i'm not planning to overclock...
i'm still waiting an answer about the power supply

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Leopard
i'm not planning to overclock...
i'm still waiting an answer about the power supply

You are planning on rendering? What are your pricepoints.

I would get the X2 4400+ if you are not overclocking because the extra cache can make a difference in certain situations and I think rendering is one of them.

Will you have a 7000 series NVIDA or X1800 series ATI? Will you have a Quadro or other professional workstation video card? SLI/Crossfire? Will you have SCSI or RAID? Will you have other devices within the computer? There are a number of criteria you need to answer.

My X2 4400+ at 2640 is on 24/7 (Folding@Home) with no issue (44C temp).
I have the Seasonic 600watt but I am overclocking, watercooling, and probably going the SCSI hardware route here soon. You probably need at most a Seasonic 500 or other PSU that gives you 30 amps minimum on the 12V line.

 

[n7]

As has been mentioned, a 300 or 350W PSU is likely not the smartest move.

In reality, most brand name PCs only have a 300 or 350W PSU like you want to buy, but that's usually the minimum they need.

When you take into account the video card, etc., it just isn't wise to cut corners on a PSU.

If the PSU ends up dying, it could very well fry the motherboard, CPU, & who knows what else. Does that help explain why we are telling you not to go cheap on it?

Get yourself a solid brand name PSU, i'd say at least 450W, even if you don't need that much, just to avoid any issues.

And to echo what the others are saying, the X2 3800+ is the best value.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: n7
As has been mentioned, a 300 or 350W PSU is likely not the smartest move.

In reality, most brand name PCs only have a 300 or 350W PSU like you want to buy, but that's usually the minimum they need.

When you take into account the video card, etc., it just isn't wise to cut corners on a PSU.

If the PSU ends up dying, it could very well fry the motherboard, CPU, & who knows what else. Does that help explain why we are telling you not to go cheap on it?

Get yourself a solid brand name PSU, i'd say at least 450W, even if you don't need that much, just to avoid any issues.

And to echo what the others are saying, the X2 3800+ is the best value.

The 3800+ is not the best value for him necessarily becuase he is not overclocking. He is also rendering. I would say the best value would be the fastest X2 at the pricepoint he can spend. The 3800+ is the best value for overclockers but not for nonoverclockers in my opinion.

 

[Markfw]

X2 3800+ or 4400+. Get a quality 380 watt or better (depending on video card) up to 450 watt, unless you have like a 6800 GT, in which case you will need a 480 or better.

A 3 ghz Pentium D is a real dog in comparison, and even at stock, you will need a 500 watt PSU or better, as they suck a LOT of power.

GET THE X2 !!!!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Is the 4400+ going to perform that much better than the 4200+ at stock speeds in 3d rendering apps?

Look for a 450-500W PSU from Sparkle, Fortron, or . . . hell, I'll let someone else recommend some other brands. I wouldn't recommend Antec unless you're getting a good deal on it.

 

[Markfw]

Antec Sonata II with the 450 watt ! Quiet ! And the 4400 over the 4200 ? I don't know how much difference. I say get a 3800+ and OC the hell out of it, but since you don't want to OC, get the best you can afford.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

If rendering is the main purpose of the machine, get a rendering GPU instead of a gaming GPU (6600gt). nVidias Quadro cards are nice, they range in price from $162-1800

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I calculated for a non overclocked X2 4200 with 4 sticks of memory, 2 harddrives, a DVDRW drive, and a 7800 GTX 512MB (probably wont be used in your system). That comes to 390 watts. So go for the Turbo Cool 425 Deluxe. Go to the eXtreme PSU calculator to do your own research. It even supports overclocking .

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I calculated for a non overclocked X2 4200 with 4 sticks of memory, 2 harddrives, a DVDRW drive, and a 7800 GTX 512MB (probably wont be used in your system). That comes to 390 watts. So go for the Turbo Cool 425 Deluxe. Go to the eXtreme PSU calculator to do your own research. It even supports overclocking .

Why in the world would you recomend that PSU, you do realize that modern computers rely on the 12v rail, which has only 20A, more than the 3.3 and 5v rails, which have 40a each..that is NOT a good PSU.

I would say to go ahead and get the Sonata II. I have 2 of them, the 450w PSU that comes with them is also made by Antec, so it's solid and stable, plus the case is nice and quiet(well at least my pentium-d is quiet now that it's water cooled, but it won't overclock at all, POS. My system was quiet to begin with.)