It's just a matter of time til they hit 3GHz. AMD better step it up or I'm getting an Intel processor. And plus, they have a FSB of 533GHz. That REALLY helps versus 266MHz.
Pentium 4's are stepping it up with 2.8GHz processor!
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dullard
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Did you actually look on pricewatch? It is $578 (shipping included). Although I personally wouldn't buy a preorder - wait until September. Then the official Intel price is rumored for around $500 - with street pricing it will likely be in the upper $400s.
I could never justify 500$$$ for a CPU, when you can get the 200$ version a.k.a. 2.0ghz and can basically reach the same speeds...
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Or it would have given you a 40% downpayment on the 1 GHz chip that AMD sold for $1299 just two years ago. The price is high, but it is still significantly lower than what both AMD and Intel charged not too long ago.Originally posted by: bob970
its cheap too
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Originally posted by: bjc112
I could never justify 500$$$ for a CPU, when you can get the 200$ version a.k.a. 2.0ghz and can basically reach the same speeds...
The key is how high the 2.8 GHz chip will overclock. This likely will be the first that can guarantee a 3.0GHz+ speed. Plus you must of missed the recent pricecuts. $200 will just about get you a 2.2 GHz now.
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woohoo I'm going to buy a car with an engine that runs at 30,000 rpm but it only goes 35mph max
and plus it's going to have 12 car seats but it only has 2 front doors - all those seats reall help, who cares I can't use most of them
I got a new Dell laptop at work, it's a great laptop, but it's running a Pentium 4. Compared to the Pentium III I had before, it processes faster but on occasion it gets choked up and won't even move my mouse smoothly. My Athlon XP system I built at home runs much faster and only has half the RAM... very smooth processing...
and plus it's going to have 12 car seats but it only has 2 front doors - all those seats reall help, who cares I can't use most of them
I got a new Dell laptop at work, it's a great laptop, but it's running a Pentium 4. Compared to the Pentium III I had before, it processes faster but on occasion it gets choked up and won't even move my mouse smoothly. My Athlon XP system I built at home runs much faster and only has half the RAM... very smooth processing...
Hmm no choke ups here on my 2.26 @ 3
It's a good thing that they keep releasing new CPUs, the other stuff will drop in price.
It's a good thing that they keep releasing new CPUs, the other stuff will drop in price.
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Take a look at HardOCP's review of the Radeon 9700 from yesterday. Link
Note near the bottom where it says:
... where it says:
Now notice the benchmarks. Obviously, this review was for the Radeon 9700 and not the cpu's involved, but it's pretty clear that the Tbred at 2.48 pretty much resoundingly beat the 2.53GHz P4 in every test. Yes, the whopping was not as big as would be expected, but speculation is that was because of the SSE2 optimization in both 3dMark2001SE and in ATi's drivers. Word on the H forums is that the OC'ed Tbred was air-cooled.
So... as far as the "AMD better step it up or I'm getting an Intel processor" comment goes, I'd say that it looks like AMD has stepped it up quite well. Speculation is that the 2400+ (2.0GHz) and 2600+ (2.13GHz) Tbreds will be announced as soon as next week. As AMD tends to ship their chips as close to their maximum default voltage, air-cooled speed possible, I expect we'll see 2.3-2.4GHz models shipping very soon.
Okay, I'm done here. I don't want to see this turn into some flame war about AMD vs. Intel. They are both excellent companies and it's not one or the other that keeps these high-end cpu's ramping faster and faster, but the competition between the two. You fanboys out there (you know who you are) would do well to remember that.
I do want to agree with those who already said that cpu speed and performance is not everything. After 3 years of rapidly ramping clock speeds, today's computers are stuffed full of bottlenecks, especially in IDE performance.
Note near the bottom where it says:
And then on the 2nd page of the same review... Link
... where it says:
It doesn't take high level math skills to realize that they have a locked 2.0GHz Tbred (133.3*15=2000), which will be called the 2400+, and that they were able to OC it to 2.48GHz, or roughly 2800+ to 3000+ (give or take, honestly I don't like AMD's PR system but if it helps the idiot masses to buy AMD cpu's and keeps AMD in the business of making the quality chips they DO make, then what the hey... ). Too bad they couldn't get it to 166 FSB cause that's when the 8K3A+ kicks in the 1/5 PCI divisor.
Now notice the benchmarks. Obviously, this review was for the Radeon 9700 and not the cpu's involved, but it's pretty clear that the Tbred at 2.48 pretty much resoundingly beat the 2.53GHz P4 in every test. Yes, the whopping was not as big as would be expected, but speculation is that was because of the SSE2 optimization in both 3dMark2001SE and in ATi's drivers. Word on the H forums is that the OC'ed Tbred was air-cooled.
So... as far as the "AMD better step it up or I'm getting an Intel processor" comment goes, I'd say that it looks like AMD has stepped it up quite well. Speculation is that the 2400+ (2.0GHz) and 2600+ (2.13GHz) Tbreds will be announced as soon as next week. As AMD tends to ship their chips as close to their maximum default voltage, air-cooled speed possible, I expect we'll see 2.3-2.4GHz models shipping very soon.
Okay, I'm done here. I don't want to see this turn into some flame war about AMD vs. Intel. They are both excellent companies and it's not one or the other that keeps these high-end cpu's ramping faster and faster, but the competition between the two. You fanboys out there (you know who you are) would do well to remember that.
I do want to agree with those who already said that cpu speed and performance is not everything. After 3 years of rapidly ramping clock speeds, today's computers are stuffed full of bottlenecks, especially in IDE performance.
Wow, a fresh AMD vs. Intel thread! Haven't seen one of these in awile actually!
Just wait until Hammer. 'Nuff said.
Just wait until Hammer. 'Nuff said.
AMD needs to hurry up. People are eagerly waiting. Also, they need to do something about the 266FSB issue.
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I would rather have 266fsb on 64bit channel than 533fsb on 16bit channel. If 266fsb is such an issue than why did p4 boards start switching to ddr ram instead of sticking with rambus? AMD is not pushing the fsb like Intel is because they are focusing on RAM that WORKS better. A computer is only as fast as it's slowest part... if you want a speedy processor that takes more cycles to finish an instruction, and takes more cycles to read memory, then go ahead...
AMD is taking over the market. Intel is the one that can't keep up.
Hey! I'm a hardcore AMD fan myself. I'm thinking about putting together a dualie. Any recommendations? Cause I know I'm going to be using dual XP's with some modification.
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The problem with the current 266 FSB on the Athlons, regardless of bit width, is that it is becoming saturated. Essentially, the multipliers are getting too high and the bus is not able to keep the cpu constantly fed with enough data. The P3, with its SDR bus, suffered the same problem when its multipliers got greater than 8. The Athlon, with its DDR EV6 bus, is now encountering the same problem as its multipliers approach 16. What this means is that Athlons will not scale performance-wise the way they should until the bus speed is raised.
If you own an Athlon and this is a big concern for you, there is an easy solution and you don't have to wait for AMD. Buy a KT333 board with the 1/5 divisor (or wait for a KT400, due out next month) and get some good PC2700 (or better) to put in it, unlock your Athlon, up the FSB to 166 and lower the multi to where the cpu speed is stable, and there you go, easy fix!
If you own an Athlon and this is a big concern for you, there is an easy solution and you don't have to wait for AMD. Buy a KT333 board with the 1/5 divisor (or wait for a KT400, due out next month) and get some good PC2700 (or better) to put in it, unlock your Athlon, up the FSB to 166 and lower the multi to where the cpu speed is stable, and there you go, easy fix!
That is one of the most technically flawed statements I have ever heard. The P4 runs on a 133 Mhz Quad pumped bus giving 4.2 GB/sec bandwidth. The XP runs on a 133 Mhz Dual pumped bus giving 2.1 GB/sec bandwidth. The P4's bus is superior, enough said. The computer is as fast as its slowest part. The bus being the main reason XP based CPU's are scaling poorly (although 166 DDR FSB is going to help) compared to the P4 variants. If you dont believe me, then you dont know that AMD is lowering their PR system to cope with that fact.
If you're refering to RDRam, it is 16bits wide, but it also operates at 533Mhz, double pumped and dual channel. That gives 4.2 GB/sec bandwidth. SDRam is 64 bits wide, but it operates at 133Mhz, double pumped. That gives 2.1GB/sec bandwidth. The only reason Intel is switch over to SDRam variants is because its the industry standard, not that SDRam is technically superior. Go ask any EE/CE major in the field, and they will predominantly say that RDRam type technology is superior (partly because its easier to scale and makes dual channeling easier), although DDR-II should be interesting because it uses some RDRam type features.
Last time I read mercury research, AMD's share slipped 5% and Intel is moving to a .09 micron process and starting to make dents in the 64bit server/workstation market. I'd start worrying more about Sun/HP/and IBM before I worry about Intel.
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